RE: BMW 435i M Sport: PH Fleet
RE: BMW 435i M Sport: PH Fleet
Wednesday 27th November 2013

BMW 435i M Sport: PH Fleet

Ultimate driving machine or disappointingly aloof? To Yorkshire to find out



While the BMW 435i has been proving itself a great commuter with its comfy seats, refinement and gadgets that's not really living the PH dream for a 300hp-plus rear-drive coupe. And there's only so much you can tell about a car trundling around the M25.

4 Series is a handsome beast, no doubts there
4 Series is a handsome beast, no doubts there
So to Yorkshire for a week, revisiting the roads on which we enjoyed the M135i (a PH Dream Drive no less!) just a few weeks before. A perfect opportunity to find out if the 4 Series can offer a more grown-up taste of the same magic.

First the boring practical bit of trying to fit in a one-year-old, associated clobber and a bicycle. There was no way the bike was going in the car and I was rather hoping for some roof bars onto which I could fit the Thule carriers sourced for the Focus ST previously on the PH fleet. Only BMW UK doesn't actually have them for the 4 Series yet, meaning a distinctly sub-optimal boot carrier instead. Not exactly the 'lifestyle' look I was hoping for but needs must.

Even with the bike on the back and fully laden the 4 Series mooched up the A1 recording an Eco Pro enhanced 30ish mpg; can't complain at that. Bike removed and family installed it was time for the 435i to finally step up to the mark and shine on some of North Yorkshire's more challenging cross-country roads. Hopefully.

I was really keen for the 4 Series to prove me wrong on fears that it was just a bit too sensible and aloof to really engage. Rooting for it to demonstrate previously hidden talents. After all a powerful straight-six BMW coupe, rear-driven and with a manual gearbox, should be in its element on roads like this, right?

More revealing than the M25, if not in a good way
More revealing than the M25, if not in a good way
But I still wasn't feeling it. Along exactly the same stretch of tarmac the M135i had been a riot, properly having at it as it bucked and weaved along the madly undulating Helmsley road. But at a similar pace the 435i just felt fast and a little scary in its detachment from what was going on under tyre. The 1 Series is a little thug, trading finesse for brute force but hugely entertaining. But where a 3 Series coupe of old would have delighted with fingertip feedback and a stirring six-cylinder howl the 4 Series just feels like it doesn't want to get involved.

First, the chassis. As previously reported it feels a little underdamped in the standard mode, Sport setting improving the body control but the 4 Series still feeling a little on its tip toes and lacking the confidence inspiring checks on pitch and roll you'd want on a challenging road. Paired with numb steering there's little joy to be had pushing the car hard, the lack of feedback meaning you can arrive at situations carrying huge speed but with no sense of the car's limits. Which rather goes against the boast in the press pack that "The BMW engineers have succeeded in making key improvements in areas such as steering accuracy, precision and agility, as well as honing, further still, the instincts of the new BMW 4 Series Coupe as an unadulterated driving machine."

Should be in its element; not feeling it yet
Should be in its element; not feeling it yet
Contributory factors in this aim include a 19mm lowering of the roll centre compared with the 3 Series via altered suspension geometry, additional bracing between the front subframe and body and, it's claimed, the lowest centre of gravity of any car in the current BMW range. Compared with the old 3 Series coupe the wheelbase is 50mm longer, the front track 45mm wider and the rear increased by 80mm, making this the widest part of the car's bodywork. And it's got grip, there being little suggestion of flickering DSC lights that, in the absence of any other communication, would suggest you're leaning against the car's limits.

It's not slow either, even if the six gets gruff towards the top end where the M135i - with the same engine - seemed happier to sing its heart out. I wonder if the tall gearing and balky shift of the manual is a significant factor and suspect the eight-speed auto would make for a more cohesive package. I'd be keen to try one to put the theory to the test because, as it stands, fears the 4 Series is too aloof to engage seem sadly to be well founded. Fears brought into even sharper focus by the arrival of the 2 Series, AKA the answer to those who liked the idea of the M135i but couldn't stomach the looks.

The 4 remains a beautiful looking machine and much classier than the 2. But when it comes to dreams of being the ultimate driving machine it needs to work harder translating that on-paper promise into seat-of-the-pants fun.


FACT SHEET
Car:
 2013 BMW 435i M Sport
Run by: Dan
On fleet since: October
Mileage: 4,182
List price new: £48,160 (Basic list of £41,435 OTR plus £670 for 19-inch M double-spoke 442M wheels, £360 for Adaptive Headlights, £515 for Adaptive M Suspension, £350 for enhanced Bluetooth, £300 for folding mirrors, £825 for head-up display, £460 for Interior Comfort Package comprising memory electric seats, 'extended storage' and sun protection glass, £95 for internet, £675 for Harmon/Kardon speakers, £570 for M Sport brakes, £1,000 for BMW Professional Media Package, £325 for online entertainment, £330 for reversing camera and £250 for Variable Sport Steering.)
Last month at a glance: Enough motorway miles already, time to hit the twisties


Previous reports:
The 435i joins the PH Fleet
4 Series whets our appetite for the M version

Author
Discussion

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

44,819 posts

210 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I do love these but agree I can't wait for the 2 series lighter & more nimble I would have thought.

StuntmanMike

15,078 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Jury's out for me until I see one in the flesh, I couldn't stand the Bangle styling and these don't really seem any different, like a Lexus with kidney grills really.

MyCC

337 posts

187 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Just what has happened over at BMW? Where have all the Ultimate Driving Machines gone?!! They are in real danger of killing their Brand attributes in time. So many companies would kill to have their heritage.

Regards,

MyCC.

Slippydiff

16,411 posts

253 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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£48k for a slab of mediocracy. Brilliant.
I've owned various E30,36,46 and 90 Series cars over the past 15 years. The F30 and the 4 Series are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned, too big, too heavy and too laden down with all the cr*p that has showroom appeal, but adds little or nothing to the driving experience.

I borrowed an F30 330D auto Sport for the day a couple of weeks ago, I wanted to like it, but it left me feeling very cold (on so many fronts)when compared to my six year old 130k mile 335d auto Sport.

Steering : Weightless, lacking in feel and tactility. As Dan says, not what you want/need in a "sports" car. It's weight can be "improved" by pressing a button. But as Evo's Richard Meaden has highlighted on the F30 and on other cars previously "BMW have fallen into the trap of confusing steering weight for steering feel".
Spot on, the steering of a 1962 Albion 8 wheeler truck is heavy, but rest assured, it's not in the least bit feelsome or tactile.

Sh*tty button on centre console that allows you to chose different driving modes (Sport +, Sport, Comfort & Eco Pro)

Using Sport or Sport + allegedly improves the steering feel and stiffens the dampers (yet the chassis still felt as Dan put it "Up on it's tiptoes". It also makes the gearchanges quicker. Unfortunately not only are they quicker, they're harsher too . . . .

Why oh why to BMW think that someone who buys a "Sport" wants to drive a car in Comfort or Eco Pro mode ? If I want an economical "comfortable" car, I'd have bought an SE and specced it with a 2.0 diesel engine !

FFS BMW, we all know you can make superb cars with great steering feel/weight and fun, communicative chassis. Stop trying to make your cars all things to all men, you're alienating so many dyed in the wool owners by producing cars that are neither fish nor fowl. And breath.

Rant over . . . . biggrin

P.S Let's hope the 235i is a worthy replacement for the old E82/88 135i/1M.


kambites

71,550 posts

251 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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So much the same as the E92, really?

You can't really blame them for not making it fun to drive - that's just not what the bulk of their market wants.

Edited by kambites on Tuesday 26th November 18:29

Froomee

1,501 posts

199 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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It seems the 1 series is effectively becoming the equivalent of the older 3 series whilst the 3/4 series are becoming more "mature" to satisfy the requirements of older customers with whom the 3 series, M3, etc is more familiar with.

I'm guessing most customers buying a new 3/4 series (M3/M4 included) are company cars and/or 30+ and there are significantly more 20-30 year old buyers of the 1 series (including M1).

Tim1989

798 posts

164 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Anybody know what spending £1100 on the 'Internet' and 'BMW Professional Media Package' gives you?

HPSauce

125 posts

155 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Seriously, 3.22 AVG?!?!

philmots

4,666 posts

290 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Is take this over the M235i..

Don't get me wrong, a blast in the 2 would be fun but for a every day car where I'd never be racing about (seen the safety camera list in North Yorks!) it looks pretty perfect (with the ZF8).

cerb4.5lee

Original Poster:

44,819 posts

210 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Slippydiff said:
Steering : Weightless, lacking in feel and tactility. As Dan says, not what you want/need in a "sports" car. It's weight can be "improved" by pressing a button. But as Evo's Richard Meaden has highlighted on the F30 and on other cars previously "BMW have fallen into the trap of confusing steering weight for steering feel".
Spot on, the steering of a 1962 Albion 8 wheeler truck is heavy, but rest assured, it's not in the least bit feelsome or tactile.
I really agree with this I currently have a brand new loan F30 320d & I just can't get on with the steering it's just too light & lacking in any feel, I've always criticised the Audi TT for its overlight & feel less steering but bmw have managed to match it in their current models.

Dafuq

371 posts

200 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Hmmm, another German non descript mutli-model mass producer.

Its amazing what a large slice of 'MEH' £50k gets you from Bimmer these days.

Where has the soul and spirit gone from these manufacturiers?

Shame.

NIIKME

562 posts

251 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Ultimately the same opinion shared by that of a mate who's been selling bmw for+ 10 years. Dull, and not as good as the 135i. Does not bode well for the m4 does it!

Alfa159Ti

856 posts

187 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Slippydiff said:
£48k for a slab of mediocracy. Brilliant.
I've owned various E30,36,46 and 90 Series cars over the past 15 years. The F30 and the 4 Series are a lost cause as far as I'm concerned, too big, too heavy and too laden down with all the cr*p that has showroom appeal, but adds little or nothing to the driving experience.

I borrowed an F30 330D auto Sport for the day a couple of weeks ago, I wanted to like it, but it left me feeling very cold (on so many fronts)when compared to my six year old 130k mile 335d auto Sport.

Steering : Weightless, lacking in feel and tactility. As Dan says, not what you want/need in a "sports" car. It's weight can be "improved" by pressing a button. But as Evo's Richard Meaden has highlighted on the F30 and on other cars previously "BMW have fallen into the trap of confusing steering weight for steering feel".
Spot on, the steering of a 1962 Albion 8 wheeler truck is heavy, but rest assured, it's not in the least bit feelsome or tactile.

Sh*tty button on centre console that allows you to chose different driving modes (Sport +, Sport, Comfort & Eco Pro)

Using Sport or Sport + allegedly improves the steering feel and stiffens the dampers (yet the chassis still felt as Dan put it "Up on it's tiptoes". It also makes the gearchanges quicker. Unfortunately not only are they quicker, they're harsher too . . . .

Why oh why to BMW think that someone who buys a "Sport" wants to drive a car in Comfort or Eco Pro mode ? If I want an economical "comfortable" car, I'd have bought an SE and specced it with a 2.0 diesel engine !

FFS BMW, we all know you can make superb cars with great steering feel/weight and fun, communicative chassis. Stop trying to make your cars all things to all men, you're alienating so many dyed in the wool owners by producing cars that are neither fish nor fowl. And breath.

Rant over . . . . biggrin

P.S Let's hope the 235i is a worthy replacement for the old E82/88 135i/1M.
Agree with a lot of what you say.

I have a 2007 Z4 Coupe 3.0 Si. It is an outstandingly capable drivers car, though with lowered suspension and the stage one sound generator mod, it can be a touch raw for long journeys.

I have been toying with replacing it with a current gen Z4 35is, but it is reviews like this that discourage me. I could go for a touch more comfort and low down torque, but seems like the latest range of BM's have really lost their edge as drivers cars which puts me off.

However - I must disagree with your point about the variable driving modes SD. I think this is a brilliant inclusion on modern BMs. I do business miles and commuting in my GF's 1 series sometimes. It is only a diesel 4 banger but I find it great to be able to slip it into eco plus when in traffic to conserve fuel, with the option to turn the wick up when on a good clear road. I would welcome something like this on my Z4, but she is too old school and simply has a 'sport' button...


tadaah

229 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I've always preferred the saloon's style to the coupe but sadly neither of them look good anymore

I can't bear the front end on either and the side vents are hilariously silly on the coupe (and the stupid GT)

The E90 m sport looked fab. What went wrong?

0a

24,139 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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BMW have gone down the Audi 'bling' route, that's not a good looking car. The E60 and 90 look better by the day in comparison frown

V8 FOU

3,023 posts

177 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Tim1989 said:
Anybody know what spending £1100 on the 'Internet' and 'BMW Professional Media Package' gives you?
A slightly bigger hole in your bank account and another grand to lose in depreciation.....

Vladimir

6,917 posts

188 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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I had a good look around the BMW range over the weekend when I tested the M135i.
The 435i they had should have been very appealing but it just didn't excite me; very big, interior too close to the E92 and I'm finding the new random bonnet line (above the grille) irksome.
The 3 series looked quite classy but again, it didn't push any desire buttons.

The ones that caught my eye were the new X5 which looks loads better, the vast but sexy 6GC and the funky i3.

Hoping to place an order for an M135i tomorrow after a day of torturous but successful negotiations.

FWDRacer

3,565 posts

254 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Dafuq said:

Where has the soul and spirit gone from these manufacturers?
...to Miele, AEG, Bosch, Siemens and Audi all the other German domestic appliance manufacturers.

SturdyHSV

10,443 posts

197 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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Slippydiff said:
£48k for a slab of mediocracy. Brilliant.
My sentiments, encapsulated within 3 posts.

So with basically £50k and a concentrated effort to like it, it's still giving you the cold shoulder?

Wow.

I think I'd buy another Monaro, maybe £7,500 worth, spend £12,500 giving it brakes, suspension and about 600bhp, then spend the remaining £30k on fuel and servicing.

Also, you can finance an M3 for that sort of wedge if you insist on having a badge your neighbour's wife recognises, what is the point of this car? How long are you stuck with it?

mrclav

1,645 posts

253 months

Tuesday 26th November 2013
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FWDRacer said:
Dafuq said:

Where has the soul and spirit gone from these manufacturers?
...to Miele, AEG, Bosch, Siemens and Audi all the other German domestic appliance manufacturers.
Or into shareholders pockets - have you seen their figures recently?