RE: Fast cars, RIP: PH Blog
RE: Fast cars, RIP: PH Blog
Thursday 28th November 2013

Fast cars, RIP: PH Blog

The rush to go green nearly killed fast cars; Chris is glad it didn't



Twice I have considered leaving this racket and taking up organic farming - the first incident involved a Maserati and a Ford Fiesta, the second was the 2009 Geneva Motor Show.

Honda's current line-up hardly inspiring...
Honda's current line-up hardly inspiring...
You want to hear about the former, but I'm going to tell you about the latter.

I walked around the 2009 Geneva Motor Show in a shocked trance because the industry I thought I knew had completely capitulated. We all knew the global economy was shafted and banks were folding daily, but the immediate reaction of many brands shocked me.

They immediately became afraid of fast cars. Worse than that; they became ashamed of associating themselves with any kind of performance motoring. Every exec I spoke to gave me the same message: the new word was efficiency. There was no place for high performance. I should remember the past few years fondly, they wouldn't be repeated.

This dour sentiment was summarised on the BMW stand. Every car shown was white, almost all were small diesels bearing their efficiency ratings on their coachwork. They looked stashed away under the stairs somewhere. The Ultimate Driving Machine had been reduced to white goods status. It was like Currys, with cars.

Future looks a little more promising
Future looks a little more promising
No new fast cars meant I didn't have much interest in what was going on. I have a curiosity in all cars, but the thought of hacking Priuses around a test track didn't appeal. I couldn't really see the point of doing the job. Furthermore, the core message of this shift from exciting to environmentally worthy was nonsensical - it wasn't about offering cheaper cars to an impoverished populous but a weird marketing-led assumption that flaunting speed would somehow offend potential buyers.

If you stop making cars people aspire to own, you might as well pack-up and leave, surely?

Players who had always understood the benefit of performance models as marketing tools simply fled the sectors. Honda left F1 and developed the CR-Z as a response to the prevailing market conditions. When was the last time you saw one of those? It also gave is the Insight. The team who placed a bullet cam in the footwell of an NSX-R to record Ayrton Senna's heel'n'toe technique around Suzuka was reduced to the Insight. It was tragic.

BMW back in Harris's good books with DTM
BMW back in Harris's good books with DTM
BMW completely lost its mojo, but Audi and Mercedes both kept their nerve (or perhaps there was just too much fast product in the pipeline that had been paid for) and continued to believe that halo models were good and that the oil-based economy wasn't going to end within five years. Subaru was suddenly a maker of Foresters and crap saloons, Mitsubishi appeared to be killing the Evo: 2009 felt like fast car Armageddon.

But it just never came to be, did it? Fast forward to November 2013 and there are more fast cars now than at any time in the past. Kia has just launched a hot hatchback - I suppose that says it all.

Because the best way to sell lots of ordinary cars is to make a fast one and let the rest of the range most actually buy bathe in its glory. It is the simplest marketing strategy of them all, and that the majority of car brands chose to forget it in 2009 should make them all bow their heads in shame.

Surely proof everyone wants a fast car...
Surely proof everyone wants a fast car...
Peugeot was one of the first car makers to abandon the quick stuff, and its appeal promptly nose-dived. In the past few weeks we've had two fast Peugeots announced. Even though you do get the feeling that it is closing the stable door and the horse is already in a value lasagne, Peugeot should be applauded for attempting to regain some of that 80s and 90s magic.

The great news here is that the post-Lehman manual for automotive profitability now contains an important chapter on maintaining a fast car presence. Those who stuck to their guns did the best. Most of the Germans, Ford - even the government-owned GM - carried on building image and appeal by launching ever-faster cars, and I genuinely believe it has helped them all move back into profitability.

Honda is now desperate to reclaim its sporting heritage. A new NSX is on the way, the pre-launch activity on the Civic Type R is so uncharacteristically in advance of the launch date that you have to assume someone in the marketing hutch has told the press people to get spreading the word that Honda has re-discovered its corporate testicles. Given that the silly CR-Z has quietly been dropped in Europe seems to support this theory.

Even Peugeot is back at it!
Even Peugeot is back at it!
What an uplifting trend this is. And it has other potentially enjoyable side-effects. There's a brewing appetite to move onto the next most exciting way of pushing your product and brand: motorsport. Hyundai has a World Rally Car, BMW is back in DTM - other brands are looking at racing and seeing a way of connecting with an audience quite disinterested in plug-in hybrids for everyday use. Give them a plug-in hybrid that can win Le Mans and you might suddenly add some vital sex appeal.

So I'm happy about all of this. Loads of new fast cars means lots of interesting work for the day job and, most importantly, ample used examples to enjoy a few years down the line. We've never had it so good.

Chris

 

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AV12

Original Poster:

5,346 posts

238 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Good points - the "green hype" had ended a generation of performance car.

However, it has come back stronger, faster, cleaner and stronger than ever!

AV12

Original Poster:

5,346 posts

238 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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HemiCommander

4,238 posts

183 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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It's just a shame that the roads get ever slower so there is never a chance to use these ever faster cars properly frown.

supertouring

2,228 posts

263 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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>it is closing the stable door and the horse is already in a value lasagne

smile

ecs0set

2,525 posts

314 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Article said:
Even though you do get the feeling that it is closing the stable door and the horse is already in a value lasagne
laugh

Edited to add: bks, beaten to it by 20 seconds.

Youjutsusha

14 posts

172 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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I think you're going to be even more dissappointed in the Future chris.

First thing Organic farming isn't particularly environmentally friendly, it's elitist Greenpeace bullst.

Frankly Greenpeace people are not interested in solving technological problems. It seems they want half the worlds population to die and all of us to go back to the stone age. Not a solution.

Global Warming exists this is a fact. Greenpeace are idiots this is also a fact. Environmental legislation is driving the reduction of pollutants, with Direct Injection Spark Ignition engines you might in the near future start to see even more complicated fuel injection systems. Volvo has already gone down this route. The scary thing is you might see Particulate filters on Petrol cars.

The way mpg co2 nox etc are measured is going to change soon with a different world wide drive cycle and also the possibility of a 5% percentile part of aggressive driving going on. This means high performance vehicles will have to meet certain requirements at their peak powers.

Everything is heading to hybridisation (which everyone should know by now doesn't always mean ecoweenie and can be used for performance if not you're an idiot no one can help you).

Fast Cars won't ever die as long as petrol heads are still working at companies it'll just be their setup. Expect turbocharged 4 cylinder hybrids. Volvo with their concept coupe is probably the mostly likely setup you will see. 400hp decent fuel economy, great emissions (which is the main problem).

Though I have a sneaky suspicion that the 5% thing will enable larger displacement engines to still exist due to their efficiency.

dobly

1,624 posts

189 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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I for one am looking forward to halving my fuel bill in a car that is more powerful than my current one. Honda's CR-Z was a missed opportunity - only the 300 unit Japan-only supercharged Mugen RZ took things forward significantly from the early 90's CRX, but at a very high price. Hybrids will be the future , but are they right now? I think not, but hopefully the NSX will lead the way in 18 months time.

cocopop

1,300 posts

235 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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But what about the Maserati and the Fiesta?

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

160 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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HemiCommander said:
It's just a shame that the roads get ever slower so there is never a chance to use these ever faster cars properly frown.
Ironically it's politics in the form of 'green' taxes and the ridiculous ever increasing anti speed regime.As for the Geneva show it's a reflection of the fast car scene in Switzerland as a whole.IE one of the most draconian speed regimes in 'Europe' together with a raving green lobby to match but also with some of the fastest cars because of the amount of buyers who can afford them.I've usually made the trip there as an essential part of the motoring calender to start the year off using the car to make it a day trip while other 'motoring enthusiasts' use the plane while then moaning about the pressures putting an end to fast car use.Which in itself is another similar ironic contradiction.

SABARRAS

32 posts

310 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Any of you who have heard of Stanely Meyer will know about his invention that converts water into Hydrogen and oxygen in a far more efficient way than electrolysis (using frequency to seperate the molecules).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E

He was murdered and his technology was supressed but luckily there are people working to recreate it. Imagine not feeling guilty about driving huge noisy V8, V10, V12s etc. and without the need for catalytic converters!!!!

That's my kind of green energy!
More info here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Water_as_Fu...

Mr E

23,076 posts

289 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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cocopop said:
But what about the Maserati and the Fiesta?
I'd guess it was driving a Maserati and a Fiesta back to back for some reason and deciding that the fiesta was a significantly more amusing steer?

Itsallicanafford

2,948 posts

189 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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dobly said:
I for one am looking forward to halving my fuel bill in a car that is more powerful than my current one. Honda's CR-Z was a missed opportunity - only the 300 unit Japan-only supercharged Mugen RZ took things forward significantly from the early 90's CRX, but at a very high price. Hybrids will be the future , but are they right now? I think not, but hopefully the NSX will lead the way in 18 months time.
Nothing to do with performance machinery but Hybrids are the answer right now if you are a company car driver, my Auris Hybrid saves me a fortune over my old A6 2.0TDI, sure it is no more powerful but it very nearly has halved my fuel bill and car tax has been cut to 25% of what it was previously.

zeppelin101

724 posts

222 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Youjutsusha said:
The scary thing is you might see Particulate filters on Petrol cars.
There is no "might" about it. 4 years or less and they will start making an appearance.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

218 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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SABARRAS said:
Any of you who have heard of Stanely Meyer will know about his invention that converts water into Hydrogen and oxygen in a far more efficient way than electrolysis (using frequency to seperate the molecules).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74uarqap2E

He was murdered and or his technology was supressed but luckily there are people working to recreate it. Imagine not feeling guilty about driving huge noisy V8, V10, V12s etc. without guilt and without the need for catalytic converters!!!!

That's my kind of green energy!
More info here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Water_as_Fu...
Without wishing to burst your buble, the water powered car doesn't work, no matter what some people will try to tell you.

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/stanley_meyer.shtml

Fetchez la vache

5,903 posts

244 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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dobly said:
I for one am looking forward to halving my fuel bill in a car that is more powerful than my current one. Honda's CR-Z was a missed opportunity..
Totally agree. I thought the CR-Z was a reasonable first attempt but ended up being a half way house with not enough performance..

Youjutsusha said:
First thing Organic farming isn't particularly environmentally friendly, it's elitist Greenpeace bullst..
Don't get me started on this... although I do know plenty of truly organic farmers, I can legally now use some chemicals and be called an organic farmer that were originally banned in the 60's for being dangerous to humans, and I know plenty who are doing this. Hell of a con.

OleVix

1,438 posts

178 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Modern supercars are getting heavier, loaded with electronic doodas and autoboxes. Save the Noble of course... I'm anxious to see what the new owners of TVR will make!

SABARRAS

32 posts

310 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Devil2575 said:
Without wishing to burst your buble, the water powered car doesn't work, no matter what some people will try to tell you.

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/stanley_meyer.shtml
One debunking website's opinion won't burst my bubble, there are many people working on reproducing it currently so the truth will come out sooner or later with scientific data to back it up.

PaulD86

1,842 posts

156 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Good blog...though now all I want to know about is the Fiesta and the Maserati!

Devil2575

13,400 posts

218 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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SABARRAS said:
Devil2575 said:
Without wishing to burst your buble, the water powered car doesn't work, no matter what some people will try to tell you.

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/stanley_meyer.shtml
One debunking website's opinion won't burst my bubble, there are many people working on reproducing it currently so the truth will come out sooner or later with scientific data to back it up.
No it won't. It's psuedoscience and has been debunked loads of times. I could post up hundreds of links that all say the same thing.

If you actually understood thermodynamics you'd understand why it can't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water...

Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996




Andy ap

1,147 posts

202 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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I've said it before and i'll say it again us piston headers are a dying breed. Yes modern cars for the most part and certainly not all are tat and they all look the same to me now but wey've got the mass customer to blame we all want something better, something with more toys and gadgets. Who here has a smart phone and will 'upgrade' it at renewal, or who's got the dogs danglies TV and thinks it could be better. Its not different to cars. Sure environMENTALISTS arn't helping and crash safety this and that and your cars have to be able to run over small children now and not injur them.

But like i said everyone wants more, wey're never satisfied and its a throwaway culture that's gonna take a long time to go if ever. While i don't like what manufacturers are feeding us its our own fault. Finance as well plays its part something like 86% of cars sold now are on finance. Allowing manufacturers to invest more dosh in each car making them more expensive.

Edited by Andy ap on Thursday 28th November 13:36