No insurance so SORN required - what a load of rubbish!
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What is the point behind this?!!?
I knew that this law had come into effect but had never had any first hand experience of it.
I decided to buy OH a car last week, and so she called insurers, told them about the new car and off we go.
The previous car is sat safe and secure in the garage with no insurance. Its not going to leave the garage until it is sold / insured again. Why on earth do I need to SORN the car?
Why (as I have read a reason for this) would somebody who is prepared to drive without insurance, be any less inclined to if they dont have tax either?!?
It gets worse though. So I rang the DVLA to SORN it (or risk £80 or £1000 fine) and they tell me that they cant because it still has a tax disc (wouldnt 99.9% of all cars being SORN'd currently have a tax disc - thats the point?) So i have to send it back for a refund. When I asked if i could notify her of the SORN to avoid a possible fine, she said that this was not something she could advise me on and that i should get it sent off!
So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore, probably more of a ball ache for a new buyer to tax it (as he's waiting for his V5 to arrive - I have this badge too).
What a load of bureaucratic nonsense, which can only serve to penalise normal people.
I knew that this law had come into effect but had never had any first hand experience of it.
I decided to buy OH a car last week, and so she called insurers, told them about the new car and off we go.
The previous car is sat safe and secure in the garage with no insurance. Its not going to leave the garage until it is sold / insured again. Why on earth do I need to SORN the car?
Why (as I have read a reason for this) would somebody who is prepared to drive without insurance, be any less inclined to if they dont have tax either?!?
It gets worse though. So I rang the DVLA to SORN it (or risk £80 or £1000 fine) and they tell me that they cant because it still has a tax disc (wouldnt 99.9% of all cars being SORN'd currently have a tax disc - thats the point?) So i have to send it back for a refund. When I asked if i could notify her of the SORN to avoid a possible fine, she said that this was not something she could advise me on and that i should get it sent off!
So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore, probably more of a ball ache for a new buyer to tax it (as he's waiting for his V5 to arrive - I have this badge too).
What a load of bureaucratic nonsense, which can only serve to penalise normal people.
torqueofthedevil said:
What is the point behind this?!!?
I knew that this law had come into effect but had never had any first hand experience of it.
I decided to buy OH a car last week, and so she called insurers, told them about the new car and off we go.
The previous car is sat safe and secure in the garage with no insurance. Its not going to leave the garage until it is sold / insured again. Why on earth do I need to SORN the car?
Why (as I have read a reason for this) would somebody who is prepared to drive without insurance, be any less inclined to if they dont have tax either?!?
It gets worse though. So I rang the DVLA to SORN it (or risk £80 or £1000 fine) and they tell me that they cant because it still has a tax disc (wouldnt 99.9% of all cars being SORN'd currently have a tax disc - thats the point?) So i have to send it back for a refund. When I asked if i could notify her of the SORN to avoid a possible fine, she said that this was not something she could advise me on and that i should get it sent off!
So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore, probably more of a ball ache for a new buyer to tax it (as he's waiting for his V5 to arrive - I have this badge too).
What a load of bureaucratic nonsense, which can only serve to penalise normal people.
You're well over a year late to the party. It's nonsense, as discussed when it came into force.I knew that this law had come into effect but had never had any first hand experience of it.
I decided to buy OH a car last week, and so she called insurers, told them about the new car and off we go.
The previous car is sat safe and secure in the garage with no insurance. Its not going to leave the garage until it is sold / insured again. Why on earth do I need to SORN the car?
Why (as I have read a reason for this) would somebody who is prepared to drive without insurance, be any less inclined to if they dont have tax either?!?
It gets worse though. So I rang the DVLA to SORN it (or risk £80 or £1000 fine) and they tell me that they cant because it still has a tax disc (wouldnt 99.9% of all cars being SORN'd currently have a tax disc - thats the point?) So i have to send it back for a refund. When I asked if i could notify her of the SORN to avoid a possible fine, she said that this was not something she could advise me on and that i should get it sent off!
So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore, probably more of a ball ache for a new buyer to tax it (as he's waiting for his V5 to arrive - I have this badge too).
What a load of bureaucratic nonsense, which can only serve to penalise normal people.
torqueofthedevil said:
The previous car is sat safe and secure in the garage with no insurance. Its not going to leave the garage until it is sold / insured again.
...So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore
TBH, I'd far rather buy a car that isn't taxed than one that I can't test drive....So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore
Just get the insurer to add it as a second car onto the policy for a short period whilst you sell it. Odds are they won't even charge much.
Engineer1 said:
As above ask your insurer if they would cover both vehicles till the old one is sold, I can see this becoming increasingly common given the legislation.
I've done it with Admiral & Swiftcover. No problem for either of them to keep the other car on temporarily. IIRC it cost an additional £30ish per month both times.bga said:
Engineer1 said:
As above ask your insurer if they would cover both vehicles till the old one is sold, I can see this becoming increasingly common given the legislation.
I've done it with Admiral & Swiftcover. No problem for either of them to keep the other car on temporarily. IIRC it cost an additional £30ish per month both times.It's a pain in the arse. I recently got stung with this. I bought a car that had been declared sorn by the previous owner. I haven't used it so haven't taxed or insured it. It's just sat there in my garage. I get a fine through for not declaring it sorn. I didn't realise I had to. It had been sorn'd already, nothing had changed, it's not been taxed or insured. I thought it'd just carry over. b
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dsM3DGE said:
It might be a pain, but the whole continuous registration/ enforcement system is there to get the uninsured off the road. No need to catch the culprits driving, they can just lift the car from the side of the road and issue penalties. Quite right - we are all paying for the uninsured and the sooner they realise there is no option to drive without insurance the better.
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but it also happens to be true... Talk about missing the target denizens of that dark place named "uninsured driving" with a particular law 
!Meanwhile, innocent people (such as some posters on this thread) fall foul of this law and get fined for making a genuine mistake (not declaring SORN on a car which they're not using on the road but happens to be insured but not taxed, for example) which has no consequences for society
.M3DGE said:
Indeed - and surely you would want it insured so a buyer can test drive it? It might be a pain, but the whole continuous registration/ enforcement system is there to get the uninsured off the road. No need to catch the culprits driving, they can just lift the car from the side of the road and issue penalties
If it was just for that reason why dont they just do that rather than all the SORN/ send your tax back malarchy?Edited by saaby93 on Monday 9th December 17:55
I bought a car which had been SORN by the seller. The car was delivered to me on a flat back and then after a few weeks in my garage to another for restoration.
I changed the keeper details but did not tax or insure the car for three months as I had other arrangements. I 'attempted' to transfer the SORN to me at the point of sale but the DVLA site wouldn't let me saying I had to go into a local office.
If they expected me to suffer the inconvenience of taking a day off to queue with the great unwashed just to tell them the car was not tax/insured and was in private storage they had no chance. I ignored it, 3 months later insured trip to the post office for a VEL - no issues. Job jobbed,
I changed the keeper details but did not tax or insure the car for three months as I had other arrangements. I 'attempted' to transfer the SORN to me at the point of sale but the DVLA site wouldn't let me saying I had to go into a local office.
If they expected me to suffer the inconvenience of taking a day off to queue with the great unwashed just to tell them the car was not tax/insured and was in private storage they had no chance. I ignored it, 3 months later insured trip to the post office for a VEL - no issues. Job jobbed,
TooMany2cvs said:
torqueofthedevil said:
The previous car is sat safe and secure in the garage with no insurance. Its not going to leave the garage until it is sold / insured again.
...So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore
TBH, I'd far rather buy a car that isn't taxed than one that I can't test drive....So after all this messing about, risk of a large fine, I am now left with a car that is even harder to sell - no tax on it anymore
Just get the insurer to add it as a second car onto the policy for a short period whilst you sell it. Odds are they won't even charge much.
So, if the car was taxed and not insured you would be in exactly the same position.
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