Personal transport utopia ?
Personal transport utopia ?
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J4CKO

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46,924 posts

230 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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All the threads recently about how bikes dont work for urban transport and how the EV is an evolutionary blind alley I was wondering what we see as a group as the future for personal transport.

Some seem to advocate more cars, preferably V8 petrol burning ones, but the fuel will run out and aside from enthusiasts, about 1 percent of the population, that isnt going to be what happens.

So, where will be be say, in 2050, 36 years from now, I will be 80 by then if my diet doesnt get me by then biggrin

Assuming we havent all been wiped out, how will we get about, how do you think it will be, how should it be ?

Will the autonomous car be commonplace ?

What we use as fuel ?


HustleRussell

26,570 posts

190 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Utopia? Instant teleportation please. Make it snappy.

Dave Hedgehog

16,351 posts

234 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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When I am PM all new cars will be fitted with V8s

People who want EVs will be given hair shirts and told to walk

Bill

58,736 posts

285 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I'm still waiting for hover boards to become reality frown

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I don't know, but I'm sure that for the majority it will be automated and tedious.

HustleRussell

26,570 posts

190 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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CrutyRammers said:
I don't know, but I'm sure that for the majority it will be automated and tedious.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that if I worked and lived in the city I wouldn't want my everyday trip to work and back to be 'eventful' or 'exciting' in any way, I'd rather it was over as soon as possible with minimal effort.
That is not to say that I don't enjoy a drive/trackday/test day/race!

J4CKO

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46,924 posts

230 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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HustleRussell said:
Utopia? Instant teleportation please. Make it snappy.
I did mean to mention that we need to assume that Teleporatation and Time travel werent options.

Paul O

3,161 posts

213 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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On a semi realistic scale, I'd like some kind of electric vehicle that can do 200 REAL miles on a single charge, powered by solar panels mounted on the house which I plug it into each evening, with batteries sufficiently developed to be significantly more eco-friendly in production than the pumping and transport of petrol/diesel.

Then Petrol cars as weekend toys for car nutters. Diesels for long journeys where an EV isn't practical.

Oh... and make EV powered cars look like nice cars, rather than these nasty, crap versions of sci-fi film ideals.

That'd do me nicely. It'll never happen though - taxation will be a problem if I'm getting my fuel for free.

Bill

58,736 posts

285 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Paul O said:
powered by solar panels mounted on the house which I plug it into each evening
Really? hehe

MaximumJed

745 posts

262 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I think the autonomous car or at the very least, cars that can auto-follow on motorways in dedicated lanes at very high speeds might become commonplace. My commute at the moment involves 30+ miles of motorway and A road and ALL of the delays are caused by people who are poor drivers, be they indecisive or inattentive.

Unless this issue is resolved, personal transportation cannot continue to grow, certainly for commuting purposes. I imagine this will also be joined by EVs of some sort.

I'd still want the ability to drive an older car or a fun car obviously, you'd just have to stay away from the dedicated lanes.

Disclaimer: Not a fully thought out transportation solution

BluePurpleRed

1,138 posts

256 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I think there is scope for the electric vehicle in the shorter term and then perhaps there would be a hydrogen switch too. Generated from nuclear power when it gets realised thats the cleanest way to get tons of energy.

With the electric car I see the problem is that we need hot swappable recharging stations. So underground it has a circular cartridge and takes your car from the BlueTooth alignable removable tray with the battery, gives you a new charged one. I can think of 2 massive benefits to this. 1. You get on your way within 3 or 4 mins like a petrol refill and 2. If the batteries have a few faults this can be spread across all users and insured collectively instead of one guy having to fork out 5k for new batteries and replacing them ( as the cars at the moment are not designed around getting them in and out.) Also if there are any upgrades to be had then these can be shipped to the station and so have a newer longer life battery available for another price in the recharging drum.

I commute by cycle take the tube for £30 per week and can't complain that much but outside of London its just not feasible to force people onto public transport outside the M25 in a lot of cases. So I am alreadyt he hobbyist motorist I predict will happen.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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HustleRussell said:
CrutyRammers said:
I don't know, but I'm sure that for the majority it will be automated and tedious.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that if I worked and lived in the city I wouldn't want my everyday trip to work and back to be 'eventful' or 'exciting' in any way, I'd rather it was over as soon as possible with minimal effort.
That is not to say that I don't enjoy a drive/trackday/test day/race!
No doubt - which rather supports my point.

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Dave Hedgehog said:
When I am PM all new cars will be fitted with V8s

People who want EVs will be given hair shirts and told to walk
Or an extra tax for EV's, due to the extra drain on the national grid....

Herbs

5,131 posts

259 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I'd love a tron type bike as a car - single seater with head forward, chest down driving position. Lightweight and all about acceleration and handling smile

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,924 posts

230 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Herbs said:
I'd love a tron type bike as a car - single seater with head forward, chest down driving position. Lightweight and all about acceleration and handling smile
Head as a crumple zone ?

That isnt the future, You just like Jeff Bridges in a Neon body stocking wink

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

221 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Bill said:
I'm still waiting for hover boards to become reality frown
Just wait 2 years!

blearyeyedboy

6,811 posts

209 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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J4CKO said:
Herbs said:
I'd love a tron type bike as a car - single seater with head forward, chest down driving position. Lightweight and all about acceleration and handling smile
Head as a crumple zone ?

That isnt the future, You just like Jeff Bridges in a Neon body stocking wink
I'm thinking the opposite- a feet-first trike-like thing that leans, rather like the Carver One.

You can wear neon body stockings if you like, but I'll stick with my own clothes, which are better for concealing my lardy powerfully built frame. hehe

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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J4CKO said:
All the threads recently about how bikes dont work for urban transport and how the EV is an evolutionary blind alley I was wondering what we see as a group as the future for personal transport.

Some seem to advocate more cars, preferably V8 petrol burning ones, but the fuel will run out and aside from enthusiasts, about 1 percent of the population, that isnt going to be what happens.

So, where will be be say, in 2050, 36 years from now, I will be 80 by then if my diet doesnt get me by then biggrin

Assuming we havent all been wiped out, how will we get about, how do you think it will be, how should it be ?

Will the autonomous car be commonplace ?

What we use as fuel ?
I think EV's have a place, at least for city use. But they just aren't practical for entire populace and for people who don't have off street parking.

So on this basis alone, they will never replace the IC engine. But for the short to medium term I suspect to see more of them.

I think personal transport (and public) will however move to more and more efficient versions of current IC based engines and maybe larger use of hybrid to reduce 'local' pollution. But I think the next big leap will be in alternative and synthetic fuels. There are already many growable types of biofuel. Refining these to more efficient levels and mass growing will ensure the IC engine continues to dominate.

Herbs

5,131 posts

259 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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J4CKO said:
Herbs said:
I'd love a tron type bike as a car - single seater with head forward, chest down driving position. Lightweight and all about acceleration and handling smile
Head as a crumple zone ?

That isnt the future, You just like Jeff Bridges in a Neon body stocking wink
Bugger, I've been found out............

Previous

1,653 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Based only on my Top Gear / James may knowledge of them, Hydrogen vehicles seem to be the right way to go.

Infrastructure increases the expense currently, but only due to the low volume of users.

EV probably have a future.

My daily commute is only 9 miles each way (recently increased 300% due to a move). Often I commute on a zx6r (unless its icy, or I dont feel like it) and I'd consider changing to something like a 600cc equivalent Electric bike, if they were affordable.

I looked into the change but I'd be able to buy a hell of a lot of fuel and maintenance for my bike for the price difference.