Crap ford/vag cars/engines
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What is it with the 2.0 diesels so many awful but ford and vag seem the worst.
Noisy , poor mpg return on careful driving
Oh ford have the worst loudest relays /clicking for the wiper system on any car I have driven -glad my radio works to block out some of the sound ESP with winter here
Noisy , poor mpg return on careful driving
Oh ford have the worst loudest relays /clicking for the wiper system on any car I have driven -glad my radio works to block out some of the sound ESP with winter here
I'm a fan of Ford, but like for like their engines always seem to have poor economy compared with their rivals.
I had a Connect and a Berlingo as work vehicles in an old job. The Berlingo was doing close to 50 MPG compared the Connect that was averaging around 36-37 MPG. The Citroen was a lot quicker too and four years older!
The Transit I had also had a really loud relay that could be heard on every intermittent wipe!
Until recently I had a Caddy with the 1.9 SDI engine, it was slow, but a great engine IMO.
I had a Connect and a Berlingo as work vehicles in an old job. The Berlingo was doing close to 50 MPG compared the Connect that was averaging around 36-37 MPG. The Citroen was a lot quicker too and four years older!
The Transit I had also had a really loud relay that could be heard on every intermittent wipe!
Until recently I had a Caddy with the 1.9 SDI engine, it was slow, but a great engine IMO.
BrownBottle said:
Ford especially have made cracking petrol engines for the last 20 years, some of the most reliable I have seen. It's hard to believe the diesels from around 2000 onwards have came from the same company.
Some Ford Diesels are PSA engines IIRC, the 1.4 and 1.6 TDCIs IIRC.Rickyy said:
BrownBottle said:
Ford especially have made cracking petrol engines for the last 20 years, some of the most reliable I have seen. It's hard to believe the diesels from around 2000 onwards have came from the same company.
Some Ford Diesels are PSA engines IIRC, the 1.4 and 1.6 TDCIs IIRC.shoehorn said:
BrownBottle said:
the 2.0 PSA unit is much better IMO. However, I was thinking more of the ford 2.0Tdci engine.
What,the 2 litre tdci Ford engine that is a PSA engine?
Well, PSA (literally Peugeot Societe Anonyme but with extra accents in reality 
which translates as Peugeot plc in English-speak) dates from when Peugeot took over Citroen around 30 years ago. In the context of this thread, PSA means Peugeot/Citroen-developed so-called "HDI" engines which have a poor reputation.
The 1.4 & 1.6 TDCI Diesel engines in Fords are PSA 1.4 & 1.6 HDIs.
But Ford make their own 1.8 & 2.0 TDCI Diesel engines though, rather than importing them from Peugeot as they do the 1.4Ds and 1.6Ds (as per my first paragraph).
I think, from reading the thread, that this is right?
which translates as Peugeot plc in English-speak) dates from when Peugeot took over Citroen around 30 years ago. In the context of this thread, PSA means Peugeot/Citroen-developed so-called "HDI" engines which have a poor reputation. The 1.4 & 1.6 TDCI Diesel engines in Fords are PSA 1.4 & 1.6 HDIs.
But Ford make their own 1.8 & 2.0 TDCI Diesel engines though, rather than importing them from Peugeot as they do the 1.4Ds and 1.6Ds (as per my first paragraph).
I think, from reading the thread, that this is right?
MG CHRIS said:
Nope the 1.8/2.0 tdci engines are ford engines the 1.8 is better than the 2.0 which likes to eat injectors. The 1.6/1.4 tdci engines are psa engine and are crap the 1.4 is slightly better than the 1.6 in my experience the 1.6 is to be avoided.
The 2 litre chain drive twin cam 16v diesel,known as the tddi fitted originally from 2000/2001 and altered slightly in 2002 and from then on known as a tdci is a PSA engine,not a Ford engine,its fitted to Transit and Citroen Relay vans as well.replaced in 2006/7,with a belt drive PSA engine in the MK4 mondeo and mk2 focus.
The 1.8 is a completely different unit,being a sohc cast iron engine of the endura family derived from the escort/orion 1.8tdi lump,FFS!
Edited by shoehorn on Tuesday 17th December 11:19
Edited by shoehorn on Tuesday 17th December 11:24
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