Peugeot 306 GTi-6, Question Time.
Peugeot 306 GTi-6, Question Time.
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tomcrowther

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105 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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So I'm pretty dead set on getting a 306 GTi-6 as a sort of 'mega birthday present' to myself when I hit 19 come April.

I've been doing silly amounts of research into them for the last 2 months-ish and one thing in particular is kinda worrying me.

Everyone harps on about the mega handling (I have driven one very briefly on some narrow B roads) and a recurring theme is the lift off oversteer. While my car will just about lift off oversteer on the right sorta corner, I don't like the idea of a car that doe sit a whole lot, if I don't want to, being a relatively speaking, inexperienced driver.

Do I just need to man up about it and not be such a heffalump with the throttle in corners?

Any help or input would be much obliged.

Thanks,
Tom.

Terminator X

20,751 posts

234 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Mine only ever did it at "silly" speeds. You know when you feel a kind of fluttering in your stomach yikes

TX.

JDMDrifter

4,063 posts

195 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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First things first, tyres!

Make sure you have 4 matching ones with the same tread. If its prone to lift off overseer and you have a pair of ditch finders on the back you'll be crossing your arms more than a toddler on supernanny.

Secondly the key to driving a fwd fast is smooth inputs. Don't thrash up to a corner slam on the anchors and turn in, the back will go out and probably put you in the nearest tree.

Drive smoothly and don't ever lift off the throttle suddenly, approach corner and brake, some trailing throttle then punch out the exit whilst unwinding the lock.

I've had a fair play with lift off oversteer in my car and I can tell you that smoothness is the best way to make sure it doesn't catch you out.

tomcrowther

Original Poster:

105 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Sounds about righ then. it's just the reputation they've got for it is scaring me slightly. I'm going to make a forum on 306gti6.com about it (when i figure out how to do it) just to see if I can get a good few opinions

JDMDrifter

4,063 posts

195 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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tomcrowther said:
Sounds about righ then. it's just the reputation they've got for it is scaring me slightly. I'm going to make a forum on 306gti6.com about it (when i figure out how to do it) just to see if I can get a good few opinions
Just be careful and build up your confidence, you'll get to a stage where you'll be confident to lift off in a corner and not die in a fireball.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Ok, decent tyres are important, but for the old pugs and citroens that had an "active steer" rear axle (i.e. gti-6 etc) then the condition of the bushes that attach that axle to the body shell are CRITICAL!

By now, i'd suggest that most of these cars will have shagged bushes, and that makes then infinitely more likely to suddenly oversteer unexpectedly. It's relatively easy to change these bushes, and combined with a nice new set of dampers will ensure your car handles like it was intended!

tomcrowther

Original Poster:

105 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Okay no worries, I am sort of starting to 'learn' how to do stuff correctly now anyway, my thoughts being that if I start in my 1.2 fiesta now and get at least some experience of 'fast' (for me) driving, there won't be too many 'oh fk' moments

eybic

9,212 posts

204 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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I did loads of miles in one and didn't have any unexpected scary moments. They have fragile electrics and I had an issue with a stiff clutch pedal eating a clutch cable but apart from that, they're great.

trickywoo

14,215 posts

260 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Its nothing to worry about. In fact if you use the tendency to LOOS you'll find it an easier car to drive than one that just under steers.

I did a lot of miles in a 205 GTI and didn't crash.

tomcrowther

Original Poster:

105 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Confidence restored biggrin now to make a serious attempt at saving up for one...

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Max_Torque said:
Ok, decent tyres are important, but for the old pugs and citroens that had an "active steer" rear axle (i.e. gti-6 etc) then the condition of the bushes that attach that axle to the body shell are CRITICAL!

By now, i'd suggest that most of these cars will have shagged bushes, and that makes then infinitely more likely to suddenly oversteer unexpectedly. It's relatively easy to change these bushes, and combined with a nice new set of dampers will ensure your car handles like it was intended!
Nailed it - the rear beam bushes are the key, you can feel the rear beam start to move around in the corners, and you can definitely tell when they're shagged.

Baryonyx

18,287 posts

189 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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tomcrowther said:
Do I just need to man up about it and not be such a heffalump with the throttle in corners?
It's not so much what you do with the throttle as it is your corner entry. If they go in too hot, the inexperienced driver will tend to lift off the throttle or brake, both things which will cause LOOS. If you haven't gone into the corner too fast you should be okay, because then you can just balance the throttle and open it once the corner is opening up. So primarily, go in slow and go out fast and you shouldn't have any frights that will take you off the throttle in a hurry!

RizzoTheRat

28,976 posts

222 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Not quite the same as I had heavy diesels up front, but both my ZX and 306 had the same suspension as the GTI6. Only ever worried myself with LOOS once in 150k miles and that was when I wasn't paying enough attention, went in to a corner too fast and lifted off part way round. The back stepped out a bit but it was surprisingly controllable

e46acs

548 posts

221 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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I just remember the lack of turning circle. No such thing as a three point turn in a GTI-6!! laugh

tomcrowther

Original Poster:

105 posts

163 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Jesus I know! There's a campsite driveway on the B roads close to where I had a play in one, I can whip my car round in one go, I nearly went down the banking in the 306 :P turning circle of bloody Jupiter

chevronb37

6,472 posts

216 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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I've driven a few miles in our 306 Rallye and never suffered lift-off oversteer. Best way to avoid it is to drive within the distance you can see is clear ahead. Of course some like to delibrately provoke it but I'm not really that way inclined, as desperately boring as that makes me.

The GTI-6 / Rallye is a phenomenal ground coverer. I reckon I cross roads I'm unfamiliar with at significantly greater pace in the Rallye than in my Exige. In the four years we've had ours just about everything has broken but we'll never sell the old thing - just incredible, fun, cars. Enjoy!

Erdy

100 posts

155 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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My Dturbo was so much fun - once you get used to it/expect it its easy to catch. As others have said don't panic and brake or you end up facing the way you came eek

cyclones and 4xtoyo T1-Rs stop all that (unless your trying hehe )

tomcrowther

Original Poster:

105 posts

163 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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See, I only every panic brake if someone else is coming round a corner on the wrong side of the rode and it's a bit narrow, which typically is when it'd be worst to do it laugh i had a hoon last night just to see how I actually drive when i think about it, and i generally roll around the apex of a corner then plant it afterwards, doing all my braking in a straight line beforehand.

Karlos TDCi

900 posts

219 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Krikkit said:
Max_Torque said:
Ok, decent tyres are important, but for the old pugs and citroens that had an "active steer" rear axle (i.e. gti-6 etc) then the condition of the bushes that attach that axle to the body shell are CRITICAL!

By now, i'd suggest that most of these cars will have shagged bushes, and that makes then infinitely more likely to suddenly oversteer unexpectedly. It's relatively easy to change these bushes, and combined with a nice new set of dampers will ensure your car handles like it was intended!
Nailed it - the rear beam bushes are the key, you can feel the rear beam start to move around in the corners, and you can definitely tell when they're shagged.
+1

I had a 1995 2.0 XSi a few years ago and me and my dad changed all four bushes in an afternoon. They giveaway for me was a metallic knocking sound from the rear when going around a fairly low speed bumpy corner. Changing the bushes improved the handling immensely. Any 306 still standing that hasn't had these changed will almost certainly need doing.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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You'll be fine - take it to a skid-pan day for some practice if you're really worried.

Turning circle being so poor is because they bodged the 6th gear onto the end of the BE box and made it about 4" longer! Great machines though.