Current Best Petrol Engines

[panholio]

My next car will not be a diesel. I don't do enough mileage and I don't like them.

What manufacturers have the best petrol engines in their current lineups? It seems I can get a quick and frugal diesel without going to AMG/ M/ RS levels of cost.

If I want a hot hatch there seems to be a few about. But if I want a decent sized car what is the best mix of performance/ refinement/ good noise when pressing on but with sensible fuel consumptions (40 ish on a run say)?

BMw *35i engines seem to have it covered but what else?

VAG 2.0 TFSi job? Any good in a Passat/ A4 sized car?

Merc? Jag? Only seem to offer diesel or mental. Volvo? Any others.....

[McWigglebum4th]

Best at what?

[kiethton]

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

[Dapster]

Porsche flat 6. Available for new Golf GTI money in a lightly used Caymen or Boxster. Brilliant engine - no 4 pot will come close to it for noise, flexibility, torque or response. It also happens to be bolted into one of the best handling cars on sale.

[james_gt3rs]

Dapster said:

Porsche flat 6. Available for new Golf GTI money in a lightly used Caymen or Boxster. Brilliant engine - no 4 pot will come close to it for noise, flexibility, torque or response. It also happens to be bolted into one of the best handling cars on sale.

And hugely unreliable according to the internet!

[Axionknight]

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

No longer in production for the UK market. The FN2 Type R was done away with in 2011 as the engine did not meet European emissions laws, *spits*

[Riknos]

Axionknight said:

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

No longer in production for the UK market. The FN2 Type R was done away with in 2011 as the engine did not meet European emissions laws, *spits*

And I don't know of ANY type Rs getting 40mpg! Not real world MPG either.

F20C is better than the B/K series engine anyway

[bodhi]

The new BMW x25i / x28i is supposed ot be excellent. OK it' smissig a couple of cylinders to be a proper BMW engine, but 240bhp and 45mpg combined sound pretty good to me.

[AC43]

Mercedes 250 CGI? Got to better that the CDI which would wake the dead.


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mercedes/c-class/6282...

[Scuffers]

Riknos said:

And I don't know of ANY type Rs getting 40mpg! Not real world MPG either.

F20C is better than the B/K series engine anyway

Yes they can, and K is way more advanced than The F.

Try again.

[DMN]

Riknos said:

Axionknight said:

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

No longer in production for the UK market. The FN2 Type R was done away with in 2011 as the engine did not meet European emissions laws, *spits*

And I don't know of ANY type Rs getting 40mpg! Not real world MPG either.

I know of one, mine.

[kiethton]

DMN said:

Riknos said:

Axionknight said:

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

No longer in production for the UK market. The FN2 Type R was done away with in 2011 as the engine did not meet European emissions laws, *spits*

And I don't know of ANY type Rs getting 40mpg! Not real world MPG either.

I know of one, mine.

My EP3 managed to average 38 mpg on the 3,700 mile road trip across Europe to Croatia.

This included motorway cruising @ 80mph
Motorway Traffic
Hooning around the alps
Day to day runs of 0.5 miles to the beach/supermarket

40mpg is easily done, especially @70mph

[anonymous-user]

In the US market you can still get the Volvo 5 pot petrol but I think in the UK it's 4 cylinders only for petrol engines. Jaguar do have a 360bhp odd supercharged V6 in the XF, if that's not too mental?

To be honest most everyday 4 cylinder petrol engines are no more exciting that 4 cylinder diesel engines. The most recent petrol powered rep mobiles I've driven have all felt oddly limp of wrist for their displacement and power. Very sad there is no sensible-ish mid range 6 cylinder cars available any more

[GroundEffect]

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

The N52 BMW engines are superior to those stats:

over 40mpg cruising at 70mph
270BHP in top-tune
Straight 6 naturally aspirated

Dapster said:

Porsche flat 6. Available for new Golf GTI money in a lightly used Caymen or Boxster. Brilliant engine - no 4 pot will come close to it for noise, flexibility, torque or response. It also happens to be bolted into one of the best handling cars on sale.

Minor issue of dumping its IMS or scoring the bores, though, eh?

[panholio]

dme123 said:

To be honest most everyday 4 cylinder petrol engines are no more exciting that 4 cylinder diesel engines. The most recent petrol powered rep mobiles I've driven have all felt oddly limp of wrist for their displacement and power. Very sad there is no sensible-ish mid range 6 cylinder cars available any more

I guess this is my point entirely.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Get the 135i and avoid VAG 4 pots like the plague, soulless things they are, especially in the GTi/R/S models, they have to put a fake sound generator in them to try and make them interesting lol

[kiethton]

GroundEffect said:

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

The N52 BMW engines are superior to those stats:

over 40mpg cruising at 70mph
270BHP in top-tune
Straight 6 naturally aspirated

Fair point, I averaged far less in my N54 powered 335i - 22mpg around town and 35mpg at 70 on the motorway.

The EP3 was always far better on fuel (as expected for 2 less cylinders and 100bhp). I only mentioned it as for a 4 pot its brilliant.

[GroundEffect]

kiethton said:

GroundEffect said:

kiethton said:

Honda and the 2.0 V-tec they put in the Type R (if still made)

near 40mpg on a run, 200bhp and naturally aspirated.

The N52 BMW engines are superior to those stats:

over 40mpg cruising at 70mph
270BHP in top-tune
Straight 6 naturally aspirated

Fair point, I averaged far less in my N54 powered 335i - 22mpg around town and 35mpg at 70 on the motorway.

The EP3 was always far better on fuel (as expected for 2 less cylinders and 100bhp). I only mentioned it as for a 4 pot its brilliant.

I had the 3.0Si Z4 and it was ridiculous how economical a fairly-sized engine could be. I think I saw 43mpg over the length of the M6 one time. Now my S54 is a fantastic bit of engineering but it's hardly economical.

343BHP at 8000rpm from 3.2 litres does make you grin, though

[kiethton]

GroundEffect said:

343BHP at 8000rpm from 3.2 litres does make you grin, though

I bet, would love one...may have to scratch that itch soon!

[jontysafe]

Actually the S54 is bloody economical for what it is!