Could PistonHeads produce a TVR equivalent ?
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Just a thought from the small car V8 thread.
There is a re-manufacturer of the TVR chassis, and I presume no patent on the design. The rear axle was imported from Mexico and the gearbox from Australia. Maybe the other way round but it is a long time since I visited the factory.
Engine, small block Chevrolet, with a flat plane crank?
Body work either taken from moulds of later TVRs or something completely different.
Loads of interior trimmers and assemblers available in the UK.
Piston Heads must have the expertise and finance to make the alternative supercar.
The Blackpool factory was a world away from a supercar facility.
There is a re-manufacturer of the TVR chassis, and I presume no patent on the design. The rear axle was imported from Mexico and the gearbox from Australia. Maybe the other way round but it is a long time since I visited the factory.
Engine, small block Chevrolet, with a flat plane crank?
Body work either taken from moulds of later TVRs or something completely different.
Loads of interior trimmers and assemblers available in the UK.
Piston Heads must have the expertise and finance to make the alternative supercar.
The Blackpool factory was a world away from a supercar facility.
They could probably produce a close homage to a 90s-era two seater but not the one you had in mind. Also it'd cost a million quid and they wouldn't sell it to the likes of you anyway.
More seriously I don't doubt PH could produce one car, once, but even feasible small scale repeat production is really f
king hard and having detailed enthusiast motivation is probably much more of a barrier than a key to success.
This is long before profit comes into it - and you have to ask questions like 'how many people would actually buy (say) a Cerb if it was sold as a new car at the equivalent of its original price today. Probably not a lot. There are a few niches like Locost etc but what can you bring to the table that everyone else has missed, and why aren't they doing it now?
I wasn't entirely joking about the differences of opinion either: I think an educated dictatorship is probably a better model for building a car than trying to do something collaborative.
More seriously I don't doubt PH could produce one car, once, but even feasible small scale repeat production is really f
king hard and having detailed enthusiast motivation is probably much more of a barrier than a key to success.This is long before profit comes into it - and you have to ask questions like 'how many people would actually buy (say) a Cerb if it was sold as a new car at the equivalent of its original price today. Probably not a lot. There are a few niches like Locost etc but what can you bring to the table that everyone else has missed, and why aren't they doing it now?
I wasn't entirely joking about the differences of opinion either: I think an educated dictatorship is probably a better model for building a car than trying to do something collaborative.
trashbat said:
Yeah. It'd be called the Argucar. It'd be a great piece of automotive engineering only tempered by the fact that due to "creative differences" it wouldn't have an engine, gearbox, chassis, wheels, interior, exterior or a design concept.
Very good!!!!PistonHeads wouldn't be PistonHeads without any arguments..... Abit like a family
Just a thought.
Maybe I posted at the wrong time of day.
UK needs to get some innovation. Maybe it's good building loads of Nissans (hate Jukes !)
TVRs were something special and British. Low volume, special on reliability but with the correct management and QC could work with small development costs.
Maybe I posted at the wrong time of day.
UK needs to get some innovation. Maybe it's good building loads of Nissans (hate Jukes !)
TVRs were something special and British. Low volume, special on reliability but with the correct management and QC could work with small development costs.
I reckon something along the likes of an Atom would be more suited. Albeit a lot simpler than the likes of a TVR but still takes a lot of input and know how.
Amongst all the eejits on here (myself included I may add!) there are some genuinely smart people on here with engineering backgrounds and I would be very interested to see what they could produce as say a small, 'useable' weekend car for a modest sales price.
Amongst all the eejits on here (myself included I may add!) there are some genuinely smart people on here with engineering backgrounds and I would be very interested to see what they could produce as say a small, 'useable' weekend car for a modest sales price.
- Light aluminium chassis
- Composite body
- Big V8 - 455 bhp - 460 lb/ft
- Choice of 7-speed manual or 6-speed paddle-shift auto
- Fast - 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec - top speed 195 mph
- Meets global type approval regulations
- Excellent value for money
Check out the Corvette C7 Stingray -
trashbat said:
Yeah. It'd be called the Argucar. It'd be a great piece of automotive engineering only tempered by the fact that due to "creative differences" it wouldn't have an engine, gearbox, chassis, wheels, interior, exterior or a design concept.
It would, though, have a three volume thread containing the 'creative process' discussion. Light aluminium chassis
Composite body
Big V8 - 455 bhp - 460 lb/ft
Choice of 7-speed manual or 6-speed paddle-shift auto
Fast - 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec - top speed 195 mph
Meets global type approval regulations
Excellent value for money
No need to invent it. Corvette are already selling it!
Check out the Corvette C7 Stingray - driving
Doesn't sound British!
My plan did include the same engine but with a flat plane crank to make it different ! It worked with an old Buick/Rover engine.
Composite body
Big V8 - 455 bhp - 460 lb/ft
Choice of 7-speed manual or 6-speed paddle-shift auto
Fast - 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec - top speed 195 mph
Meets global type approval regulations
Excellent value for money
No need to invent it. Corvette are already selling it!
Check out the Corvette C7 Stingray - driving
Doesn't sound British!
My plan did include the same engine but with a flat plane crank to make it different ! It worked with an old Buick/Rover engine.
trashbat said:
I wasn't entirely joking about the differences of opinion either: I think an educated dictatorship is probably a better model for building a car than trying to do something collaborative.
A few years ago iirc Caterham had their fingers in the pie of some collaborative car design project. It was called Splitwheel I think. Total failure. Everyone was so right. They cited some financial issues (what with the crunch) as the reason for closing it but really I think the deluge of totally incompatible ideas made someone go "st, let's find an excuse to end this"...The other one that comes to mind is the "Rally Fighter", which while undoubtedly a formidable um... thing... it's ugly as sin and doesn't tick my boxes at all. It's got features that I would like in other cars but smush them all together and it's... just not right.
Edited by wst on Friday 27th December 01:15
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