RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa 166 Twin Spark
RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa 166 Twin Spark
Friday 3rd January 2014

Shed of the Week: Alfa 166 Twin Spark

Shed kicks off 2014 with an apparently unwanted big Alfa



Some traders are odd. They take in cars on part ex and then advertise them in a way that seems designed to put off potential buyers, by using phrases like 'to clear', 'no warranty given or implied', or 'sold as seen'.

Yep, far prettier from behind
Yep, far prettier from behind
The ad for this Sevenoaks-based Alfa 166 is a fine example. In a remarkably short selection of words it manages to contain the full gamut of dreaded phrases. And for the benefit of those who are hard of hearing, or comprehension, the vendor has kindly put his 'SOLD AS SEEN' warning in capital letters.

It's almost as if he doesn't want to sell it. Hmm... maybe he wants to KEEP IT FOR HIMSELF. It seems more likely however that he thinks he knows something, i.e. that big Alfas are about as practical and sensible a form of everyday transport as a Mars rover.

But is this fair? The last 166 we Shedded, a 3.0-litre V6 in November '12, attracted a lot of PH love. One PHer described the Italian 5 Series challenger as the motoring equivalent of a Gucci suit. This is the pre-'03 non-facelifted model, wearing a front end only a mother could love, so is perhaps more like the equivalent of a three-piece Gucci suit. In light brown. On the positive side it does have a smart set of teledial wheels and a nice body colour/leather combo.

Actually, inside probably still the best view
Actually, inside probably still the best view
Plus it has the potentially less ruinous 2.0-litre four-pot Twin Spark motor. Just the job for these straitened times, you'd think. Trouble is, we're talking here about the days before super-efficient petrol engines. Some would say that the otherwise game TS motor was a bit overmatched in that 166 body. Others would be less kind and compare the performance of a Twin Spark 166 to that of a pogo stick with metal fatigue. It only just scrapes into single figures for the 0-60 dash, and will punish those of a sporting bent and/or a heavy right foot by delivering equally depressing mpg figures. Big engines in small cars are good; small engines in big cars are not so good. Although having said that, a 166 owner commenting on that Nov '12 Shed reckoned that driving his 2.0 car made him feel like a king. Takes all sorts.

Indeed, it's not that bad. The lighter weight of the four-pot gives it slightly nimbler handling than the nose-heavy V6, and there are many (including Shed) who believe that the 166 looks better in reality than it does in photos. The photos of this one do make it look rather tempting. Shed would be inclined to use the ad as a buying tool. After all, if the car is as risky as the vendor seems to be implying it is, then surely you'd be doing him a favour by taking it off his hands for 700 quid.

Dealer doesn't seem to want it; do you?
Dealer doesn't seem to want it; do you?
The apparent absence of a service history is both a risk and an opportunity, depending on who's holding the V5. All you can do is avoid dealer servicing and keep your eye on the suspension bushes and chocolate wishbones, the mass air flow sensor, and any signs of a plastic-impeller water pump.

If you get lucky, buying this car and keeping hold of it could be a rewarding leap of faith. For your x hundred bid you'd be getting a very comfortable and stylish cruiser, and maybe even an appreciating asset. Our scientific 'how many left' comparo between the number of 166s running around in Nov '12 - about 1,300 - and the number that are about now indicates that over a hundred 166s have gone the way of all flesh between the third quarter of '12 and the same period in '13. We're now down to under a thousand all told. 166 production only finished about six years ago, so parts are still reasonably easy to find. Sure, some of the electrics will fail, but then even German cars have been known to have electrical problems.

Buying a big Alfa and keeping it. Why, the very idea.

Here's the ad. It starts promisingly with Blue and goes on from there.

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Discussion

dbdb

Original Poster:

5,206 posts

203 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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I quite like the styling of these and they are certainly luxurious.

A year or two back, a fellow member of a Jaguar Xj40 forum bought a 3 litre V6 166. He wrote that it didn't handle very well and felt cheap inside in comparison to his Sovereign, which tarnished the Alfa for me slightly. I assumed they would handle brilliantly. I still like them though, they're something different from the norm. They're not a bad old thing and a decent first Shed of the week for 2014.

LotusEspritTurbo

1,042 posts

285 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Another great shed and with some style. That's a hell of a lot of car for the money.

court

1,491 posts

246 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...

I'll have that one for a bag of sand.
V6
Pre-2001 tax
V6
Red
V6
Cambelt/Water pump change
V6

deltashad

6,731 posts

227 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Like this Shed. You got it right. But, the poor thing looks so sad.... frown

trashbat

6,307 posts

183 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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In before everyone else: this 'no warranty, sold as seen' business is illegal.

wotnot

383 posts

204 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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court said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...

I'll have that one for a bag of sand.
V6
Pre-2001 tax
V6
Red
V6
Cambelt/Water pump change
V6
I tend to agree but, given the price constraints of a shed, not a bad effort. Just a shame about that engine.

Davo456gt

696 posts

179 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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I had a 3.0V6 Super manual for about 5 years, lovely car.

interior is a little too easily scratched, poor legroom in back.

3.0V6 was lovely, but 240bhp was far too much for the front wheels - suspect 2.0TS handles better, my previous 164 TS was far sweeter in that respect.

Still miss mine. S628LJB where are you now ?

BFleming

3,914 posts

173 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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trashbat said:
In before everyone else: this 'no warranty, sold as seen' business is illegal.
Unless it's blatantly sold for parts/spares/repairs/trade/project/banger racing/donor engine. Or to summarise, a shed.

Drakey52

115 posts

171 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Friend of mine who has specialised in "multi-shedding" for a decade (i.e. - having 3 sheds on the drive at any one time, meaning at least one of them (hopefully) will work/pass MoT etc) bought a 2.5 V6 of this vintage some years back. I think from auction it was about 40k miles and cost him about £1000. It then cost him £1500 to make it roadworthy. After that it was a fine car. Bit gutless at low revs but nice to tootle around in and plenty spacious inside. The interior architecture was good, though the huge split in the dashboard and the general poor quality materials (apart from the seats) would put me off one.

I think the trader is just making absolutely sure that once the deal is done, he wants no comeback. On balance, I think this is fair enough - these are not the last word in build quality, though seemed to be more niggly things than actually stranding you.

164Cloverleaf

45 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Needs to be the V6...

Otherwise a very promising start to 2014 shed!

trashbat

6,307 posts

183 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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BFleming said:
Unless it's blatantly sold for parts/spares/repairs/trade/project/banger racing/donor engine. Or to summarise, a shed.
Well, yeah. But this one's got an MOT and is for sale to the general public.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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I must admit I do have a soft-spot for 166's - I shouldn't, because they're FWD, which is unbecoming of a proper barge, but I just love them.

LayZ

1,835 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Love these but if you're going to do it might as well go all the way and get a 3.0 V6 busso with *that* soundtrack. Lovely.

ZiggyNiva

1,214 posts

216 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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These are on my shortlist as and when I get rid of the Niva. My only concern is I need an auto, and im lead to believe they are a bit weak.

V8 FOU

3,023 posts

177 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Much the same nice attitude they have when selling their maseratis. You want a TEST DRIVE? On a £25K car? Oh no sir. Well maybe up the road to the roundabout and back......

Great car. Still enjoying my 147 2.0 Selespeed after 6 months and 5000 miles. Go and offer them £700.

johnniek

31 posts

224 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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What a nice way to start the new year SOTW!

Nice you picked up my Gucci reference, the 166 is still a class looking act, when its modern contemporaries all look so lookie likie (not sure if its safety legislation stifling design or design in stagnation).

I still say if you're gonna have a 166 deffo get a 3.0 V6 for total sensory stimulus.

As a comparison.. As I now own a e39 530i (touring - if the 166 was available in an estate i would deffo have one, oh and yes I did consider a carrozzeria commission lol) i have to say that although the damping, body control and handling from the e39 is a lot better than a 166, it doesn't have quite the sense of occasion and in some areas (squeaks and rattles) the 166 is a better built car. Now that is something that i never would have thought I would be putting out there!

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

248 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Still miss mine. S628LJB where are you now ?



Cubed??????

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

195 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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deltashad said:
...., the poor thing looks so sad.... frown
Like a dog just back from the vet's, after he's had his plums off :-(



angry jock

1,005 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Miss my old 166 3.0 Super Lusso.
In reality, there is very little between the Twinnie and a V6 on fuel costs and you need to remember that you need to change the belt twice as much on the Twin Spark.

Great shed cloud9

trashbat

6,307 posts

183 months

Friday 3rd January 2014
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Oddball RS said:
Still miss mine. S628LJB where are you now ?

Cubed??????
You can look this up you know. Still alive. Taxed until March.