Dangerous driving to have both hands off the wheel?
Discussion
Dangerous, careless or something that can happen when youre changing one hand for another?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
30 seconds = dangerous, where is the line more than 1 second?
Is the same true of feet?
If youre driving on cruise with both feet off the pedals or tucked under the front seat for comfort.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
30 seconds = dangerous, where is the line more than 1 second?
Is the same true of feet?
If youre driving on cruise with both feet off the pedals or tucked under the front seat for comfort.
Yeah that's kind of stupid. You don't know what's going to happen (car in front has a problem, something comes blowing across the road, your own car has a sudden fault like a tyre blow-out etc etc).
You can't control something if you aint at the controls. Same with feet. The average reaction time is something like .4 seconds (i think? someone correct me though), if your feet are tucked up all nice and cosy you add another amount of time to move your feet to the peddle
If you want to relax while driving (all relative, some cars are relaxing to drive compared to others!), get a chauffeur
You can't control something if you aint at the controls. Same with feet. The average reaction time is something like .4 seconds (i think? someone correct me though), if your feet are tucked up all nice and cosy you add another amount of time to move your feet to the peddle
If you want to relax while driving (all relative, some cars are relaxing to drive compared to others!), get a chauffeur
The usual test for dangerous driving is to ask if it falls below what would be expected of an otherwise competent, careful driver. I think it's reasonable to say a competent, careful driver would have their hands on the wheel at all times (except changing gear or operating other controls?)
That's my opinion anyway
That's my opinion anyway
amancalledrob said:
The usual test for dangerous driving is to ask if it falls below what would be expected of an otherwise competent, careful driver. I think it's reasonable to say a competent, careful driver would have their hands on the wheel at all times (except changing gear or operating other controls?)
That's my opinion anyway
Sorry isnt that the test for careless - being less carefulThat's my opinion anyway
(or as kambites says below driving without due care)
The test for dangerous is...
Driving in such a way as to cause danger?
must be a definition somewhere
Edited by saaby93 on Monday 6th January 13:19
saaby93 said:
orry isnt that the test for careless - being less careful
(or as kambites says below driving without due care)
The test for dangerous is...
Driving in such a way as to cause danger?
must be a definition somewhere
I think you could be right there(or as kambites says below driving without due care)
The test for dangerous is...
Driving in such a way as to cause danger?
must be a definition somewhere
Edited by saaby93 on Monday 6th January 13:19
amancalledrob said:
The usual test for dangerous driving is to ask if it falls below what would be expected of an otherwise competent, careful driver. I think it's reasonable to say a competent, careful driver would have their hands on the wheel at all times (except changing gear or operating other controls?)
That's my opinion anyway
The test (according to the CPS) where driving falls far below the minimum acceptable standard expected of a competent and careful driver; and it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.That's my opinion anyway
See: http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/fact_sheets/dangerous_d...
I doubt that many people would consider that driving with one hand on the wheel and the other on an armrest axiomatically amounts to dangerous driving.
mooseracer said:
Just saw this on the news and have to say I found the punishment harsh - 12months ban, £685 costs and an extended test.
Not sure how you can be in control of a car with both hands off the wheel - dangerous? Probably. Stupid? Probably. Showing off? More than likely.However.
A 12 month ban? Ridiculous when compared to a bloke i know who got the same length ban for driving whilst twice the legal limit.
His fine was only £300 & he wont have to take a re-test in 12 months.
IMO 6 points & a fine would have been a fair punishment.
fatboy69 said:
Not sure how you can be in control of a car with both hands off the wheel - dangerous? Probably. Stupid? Probably. Showing off? More than likely.
However.
A 12 month ban? Ridiculous when compared to a bloke i know who got the same length ban for driving whilst twice the legal limit.
His fine was only £300 & he wont have to take a re-test in 12 months.
IMO 6 points & a fine would have been a fair punishment.
My thoughts precisely.However.
A 12 month ban? Ridiculous when compared to a bloke i know who got the same length ban for driving whilst twice the legal limit.
His fine was only £300 & he wont have to take a re-test in 12 months.
IMO 6 points & a fine would have been a fair punishment.
In an ideal world you shouldn't be steering with your knees and this guy was taking the rise if he was doing it for 30 seconds but, you use your feet to control your car every time you drive, to say that it's dangerous to ever have your hands off the wheel, even for a few seconds is a bit of an overreaction.
Video here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
He was likely to have been done because he was so ostentatious. Both hands were clearly visible, off the wheel, and not in places where they could rapidly grab the wheel if need be.
He was likely to have been done because he was so ostentatious. Both hands were clearly visible, off the wheel, and not in places where they could rapidly grab the wheel if need be.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th January 14:55
Vaud said:
fatboy69 said:
IMO 6 points & a fine would have been a fair punishment.
A short ban equivalent - say 14 days - would have been appropriate in my view in addition to the points/fine. This is above "points and slap on wrist" but below "affect your livelihood/life" in my view.Greg66 said:
It's not even a straight bit of roadWas he using his knees (are there minor course corrections?) or did the camber keep it on track?
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