Heel and toe....arrrgggghhhhh

[Lawbags]

I've been trying for ages to master it.
I can blip the throttle a touch and keep braking steadily, but it's not enough to match the revs.
Or, if I match the revs, I come off the brake a tad meaning I'm not slowing down as fast.

Any tips? I';ve watched all the Youtube vids etc and I'm not getting any better.

[Troubleatmill]

Don't be a couch potato learner.

Spend some of these £ and get professional driver tuition.

Best performance upgrade you can make.

[Nikko 40691]

It's obvious that you're not a Driving God.
Hand in your PH membership on the way out.

[Tickle]

Brake later and harder, this should have your right foot lower to give you a bigger blip.

Practice and experimenting will see it happen smoother. Each time I get a new car it takes a while to get used to the pedal layout and throttle response.

Just make sure you practice where you are away from other road users.

[AndyBrew]

practice.

[Lawbags]

Tickle said:

Brake later and harder, this should have your right foot lower to give you a bigger blip.

Now that's interesting. I'll have to give that a go


Cheers.

[Baryonyx]

Practice, or admit you're hopeless and get a paddle shift auto!

[Tickle]

You do realise this learning will be a waste of time, we will all be driving with flappy paddles in a couple of years.

[leafspring]

While we're on the subject, when the pedals are that little bit too far apart which is easier/better?

toe on throttle and heel on the brake

or

toe on the brake and heel on the throttle

[Benbay001]

Lawbags said:

Tickle said:

Brake later and harder, this should have your right foot lower to give you a bigger blip.

Now that's interesting. I'll have to give that a go


Cheers.

I dont have the bks to brake hard whilst practicing h&t

[ewenm]

Benbay001 said:

I dont have the bks to brake hard whilst practicing h&t

Airfield days are good for this (and relatively cheap)

[crofty1984]

I don't know if it will help you, as I had a bike-engined car that would rev really quickly, but what I used to do was brake, then jab the throttle hard with the heel/side of my foot, and to shoot the revs up PAST where you want them, then let the clutch out at the opportune moment when they're coming back down.

Actually, that worked in the MX5 too.

[ShaunTheSheep]

Do it in super slow mo.

It doesnt come naturally to me (I know I know, ill hand in my badge...) anytime I want to get good at it again I start by breaking slowly, matching and holding the revs (so it sounds like a total numpty is driving at this point - which may be closer to the truth than I'd like!) Then out with the clutch.

Probably takes about 3-5 seconds but feels like 3 mins. Then I just repeat but faster. If I mess up and it's not perfect I go back to doing slightly
slower again.

Can take 100s of times until I'm fast again esp I'd haven't done in a few months (I'm a talentless tit what can i say!)

But it does get me able to do it pretty convincingly within a day.

[Tickle]

leafspring said:

While we're on the subject, when the pedals are that little bit too far apart which is easier/better?

toe on throttle and heel on the brake

or

toe on the brake and heel on the throttle

I kind of have my toe on the rights side of the brake and roll my foot over to the throttle, blipping with the side of my foot. What ever feel comfiest for you though.

The way I do it does make new right shoes/trainers look older that the left one pretty quick!

[ADM06]

What car is it? I find it easy in modern cars but think I'd really struggle in an older one.

[Craig85]

leafspring said:

While we're on the subject, when the pedals are that bit to far apart which is easier/better?

toe on throttle and heel on the brake

or

toe on the brake and heel on the throttle

I'm not a driving god but I learnt to drive in a field in a car that wouldnt idle so heel and toe was learnt quickly and I actually always do it pretty much sub conciously these days regardless of what I am driving.

Bearing in mind my goofy feet splay outwards, in cars where the pedals are close enough I use the ball of my foot beneath my big toe to push the brake down and rock my foot so that my little toe/outside of foot basically blips the throttle. On cars where the pedals are further apart it is ball of foot/toes on the brake and heel on the accelerator. I think it is important to be safe and be able to apply more brake pressure easily and this way you are pressing the brake like normal just rotating your heel out as needed to blip accelerator.

[Robert Elise]

practice is the answer.
however, a few things may work against you:
- pedal box design, often not good for h&t in modern cars
- heavy flywheels can aid and hinder
- ECUs interfering with driver's intent
- crass brake servos removing feel (esp Audis)

[leafspring]

Tickle said:

I kind of have my toe on the rights side of the brake and roll my foot over to the throttle. What ever feel comfiest for you.

The way I do it does make new right shoes/trainers look older that the left one pretty quick!

That's what I do in the Nissan.
Sadly the pedals in the Land Rover are too far apart for the rolling method and I need to double de clutch when going from 3rd to 2nd (The Series 2 Land Rover has no synchro on 1st or 2nd).

[Synchromesh]

Benbay001 said:

I dont have the bks to brake hard whilst practicing h&t

Isn't when you're wanting to brake hard (e.g. on a track day) when H&T has most benefit though?

[MarkRSi]

ADM06 said:

What car is it? I find it easy in modern cars but think I'd really struggle in an older one.

*Checks OPs profile*



I'm guessing MASSIVE turbo = slow/inconsistent response maybe?

Best cars for heel and toe in my experience are a FN2 Civic Type-R and Morris Minor (all ages). In my Megane 265 it's a bit more tricky as the engine response isn't quite as telepathic as the two previous cars.