'I took the car as a P/X so the V5 isn't in my name.'
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Someone took a car as a PX and is selling it straight on. The seller told me that the V5 is still in the previous owners name as he didn't send it off. If he sends it off the car now has an extra owner.
If he's not the registered keeper, but I check VIN numbers and HPI check....what's the worst case scenario if no V5 with correct name/address?
If he's not the registered keeper, but I check VIN numbers and HPI check....what's the worst case scenario if no V5 with correct name/address?
Thats wrong actually. If the trader has filled in the yellow section when he bought the car in, its perfectly ok for it to remain in the previous owner's name. Its done so that it avoids another pointless name on the V5 and it allows the trader to sell the car on quickly. Do a HPI check and get a decent receipt and you'll be OK.
Actually possessing a V5 is NOT proof of ownership anyway.
Actually possessing a V5 is NOT proof of ownership anyway.
The registered keeper of a vehicle is not necessarily the legal owner - like it says on every V5C. This is one example of that, likewise a vehicle being sold by and within the trade and where a vehicle is purchased using car finance until title to the goods has passed over.
You need to satisfy yourself that they are the legal owner, so the paperwork relating to the particulars of sale and part-exchange jointly signed and dated by the seller and previous owner (which should at least match the V5C if what he's claiming is true) are what you need to see - and ideally retain a copy of.
It could *just* be a case of a shady trader posing as a private seller to evade their legal obligations/liabilities under SOGA. In which case you might ask yourself why - is there a known fault with the vehicle or is this someone working "off the books" to avoid taxation etc.
Worst cases - it could be a stolen vehicle and document (unlikely to get that too), in which case HPI the vehicle or contact the police to see if they have an interest in the vehicle. Or with the details on the V5C, use directory enquiries and contact the previous owner to verify the claim of PX.
It could also be a forged V5C and/or a ringed vehicle. Searching online should let you know all the places on that make and model of vehicle where the chassis number is stamped, which you can then check all tally with a) what's on the V5C and b) with each other.
You need to satisfy yourself that they are the legal owner, so the paperwork relating to the particulars of sale and part-exchange jointly signed and dated by the seller and previous owner (which should at least match the V5C if what he's claiming is true) are what you need to see - and ideally retain a copy of.
It could *just* be a case of a shady trader posing as a private seller to evade their legal obligations/liabilities under SOGA. In which case you might ask yourself why - is there a known fault with the vehicle or is this someone working "off the books" to avoid taxation etc.
Worst cases - it could be a stolen vehicle and document (unlikely to get that too), in which case HPI the vehicle or contact the police to see if they have an interest in the vehicle. Or with the details on the V5C, use directory enquiries and contact the previous owner to verify the claim of PX.
It could also be a forged V5C and/or a ringed vehicle. Searching online should let you know all the places on that make and model of vehicle where the chassis number is stamped, which you can then check all tally with a) what's on the V5C and b) with each other.
To clarify the guy isn't a dealer (or at least didn't say he was when asked was his name on the V5).
So therefore he couldn't fill out the trade section I presume.
Likewise a receipt or invoice is going to be a paper/home printed type thing at best so doesn't prove anything.
It's an R32 Golf.
So therefore he couldn't fill out the trade section I presume.
Likewise a receipt or invoice is going to be a paper/home printed type thing at best so doesn't prove anything.
It's an R32 Golf.
Hark said:
To clarify the guy isn't a dealer (or at least didn't say he was when asked was his name on the V5).
So therefore he couldn't fill out the trade section I presume.
Likewise a receipt or invoice is going to be a paper/home printed type thing at best so doesn't prove anything.
It's an R32 Golf.
Get details of previous owner and contact directly. If he won't tell you, walk.So therefore he couldn't fill out the trade section I presume.
Likewise a receipt or invoice is going to be a paper/home printed type thing at best so doesn't prove anything.
It's an R32 Golf.
grumbledoak said:
"Directory Enquiries, what name please?"
Bloody hell do they still exist. Can't remember last time I used them tbh. Good idea though.VinceFox said:
Perhaps the seller has his contact number?
'Hi, yea I was the registered keeper. "Yea, yea I live at that address... No I'm not the seller's mate..."Hark said:
grumbledoak said:
"Directory Enquiries, what name please?"
Bloody hell do they still exist. Can't remember last time I used them tbh. Good idea though.VinceFox said:
Perhaps the seller has his contact number?
'Hi, yea I was the registered keeper. "Yea, yea I live at that address... No I'm not the seller's mate..."Jesus.
Hark said:
Likewise a receipt or invoice is going to be a paper/home printed type thing at best so doesn't prove anything.
Yes it does actually. That's why you should always have one to document any contract of sale made between buyer and seller. http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/car-buyers-gu...
Of course a trader posing as a private seller to try and avoid tax and/or legal obligations isn't going to fill in and send off the yellow section or tell you they're a trader.
Things like stipulating payment in cash only and being unwilling or extremely reluctant to provide bank details for a transfer and not wanting any official paperwork are clues. Also "not wanting to add another owner" rings a little bell too.
Do at least HPI the thing and contact the previous owner.
marshalla said:
<sigh>. != is geek for "is NOT equal to".... 
Really ? I thought >=< or <=> was geek for "is NOT equal to".... If someone takes a car in PX then then are most likely a dealer pretending to be a private seller.
Nothing wrong with that, but caution and buyer beware has me walking away. Same as "selling it for my aunt"
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