Great motoring myths explored...
Discussion
For no other reason than it seemed like a good idea, I figured a thread that finally upheld or blew apart some great motoring myths would be a useful source of info. This of course is based on the premise that we believe someone who has an opinion based on facts or again think its utter fantasy ! In which case we could just take the majority of opinion as the truth and to hell with said facts.
So for example I heard of one where its claimed swapping lanes in average speed check means the cameras cant track you (and I have seen people move deliberately). Seems unlikely but is it fact or fiction. Thats just one, does anyone know the truth and what else should we be putting up to be destroyed or upheld???
I did have a scan through likely threads but found none, however I am prepared for someone to point me to a thread from moons ago, in which case we can cease fire.
So for example I heard of one where its claimed swapping lanes in average speed check means the cameras cant track you (and I have seen people move deliberately). Seems unlikely but is it fact or fiction. Thats just one, does anyone know the truth and what else should we be putting up to be destroyed or upheld???
I did have a scan through likely threads but found none, however I am prepared for someone to point me to a thread from moons ago, in which case we can cease fire.
I've heard the lane-swapping argument before and assumed it to be rubbish on the basis that, if it was that easy to get around the system then it would have been amended / updated very quickly!
I've also been told that average speed cameras don't work at all...which I can confirm, having received the fine and 3 points, is complete coblers.
ETA. I'd already been done by the average speed cameras, I didn't believe the above 'tard and then get stung.
I've also been told that average speed cameras don't work at all...which I can confirm, having received the fine and 3 points, is complete coblers.
ETA. I'd already been done by the average speed cameras, I didn't believe the above 'tard and then get stung.
I've spotted one on here a couple of time in the past few weeks,
If you look at the fuel gauge on your instrument cluster, the side the filler nozzle is on on the little picture of the petrol pump is the side the fuel filler is on on your car.
Last night I checked a Mercedes Sprinter and a Toyota Landcruiser and they were both on the opposite side from the picture.
If you look at the fuel gauge on your instrument cluster, the side the filler nozzle is on on the little picture of the petrol pump is the side the fuel filler is on on your car.
Last night I checked a Mercedes Sprinter and a Toyota Landcruiser and they were both on the opposite side from the picture.
JDMDrifter said:
How does the camera work then, does it calculate an average based on your speed at each camera? If so it wouldn't matter if you changed lanes as it would still capture your car.
The cameras are linked and it's the time taken to travel between two.I wonder how fast you have to be going to get caught given some of the knobs I see flash past me in 50 limit roadworks. Clearly not understanding what "average" means.
Hackney said:
The cameras are linked and it's the time taken to travel between two.
I wonder how fast you have to be going to get caught given some of the knobs I see flash past me in 50 limit roadworks. Clearly not understanding what "average" means.
I particularly like it when they brake heavily as they pass each camera then carry on flying up the road.I wonder how fast you have to be going to get caught given some of the knobs I see flash past me in 50 limit roadworks. Clearly not understanding what "average" means.
Hackney said:
JDMDrifter said:
How does the camera work then, does it calculate an average based on your speed at each camera? If so it wouldn't matter if you changed lanes as it would still capture your car.
The cameras are linked and it's the time taken to travel between two.I wonder how fast you have to be going to get caught given some of the knobs I see flash past me in 50 limit roadworks. Clearly not understanding what "average" means.
TameScrapman said:
I've spotted one on here a couple of time in the past few weeks,
If you look at the fuel gauge on your instrument cluster, the side the filler nozzle is on on the little picture of the petrol pump is the side the fuel filler is on on your car.
Last night I checked a Mercedes Sprinter and a Toyota Landcruiser and they were both on the opposite side from the picture.
No, it's the arrow or triangle point which shows the side it is on. If you look at the fuel gauge on your instrument cluster, the side the filler nozzle is on on the little picture of the petrol pump is the side the fuel filler is on on your car.
Last night I checked a Mercedes Sprinter and a Toyota Landcruiser and they were both on the opposite side from the picture.
Whenever theres some racing on the telly where the cars have big wings and spoilers, you can guarantee that the comentator will trot out the old maxim that, 'There's so much downforce, you could drive these upside down.'
Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
If you have a 600kg car, and it produces 600kg of downforce at 100mph, then, theoretically of course, it would just balance the force of gravity, if it was able to do 100mph upside down.
Theres a lot more to it though. You would need to go fast enough to give enough downforce to produce enough traction to maintain speed, then how would you get inverted in the first place?
A half loop would do it, but the radius of the loop would need to be huge, so the driver didn't black out trying to do a vertical 180° at 100mph plus.
It might be theoretically possible, but in practice... Nah!
Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
If you have a 600kg car, and it produces 600kg of downforce at 100mph, then, theoretically of course, it would just balance the force of gravity, if it was able to do 100mph upside down.
Theres a lot more to it though. You would need to go fast enough to give enough downforce to produce enough traction to maintain speed, then how would you get inverted in the first place?
A half loop would do it, but the radius of the loop would need to be huge, so the driver didn't black out trying to do a vertical 180° at 100mph plus.
It might be theoretically possible, but in practice... Nah!
Chewykneeslider said:
Whenever theres some racing on the telly where the cars have big wings and spoilers, you can guarantee that the comentator will trot out the old maxim that, 'There's so much downforce, you could drive these upside down.'
Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
If you have a 600kg car, and it produces 600kg of downforce at 100mph, then, theoretically of course, it would just balance the force of gravity, if it was able to do 100mph upside down.
Theres a lot more to it though. You would need to go fast enough to give enough downforce to produce enough traction to maintain speed, then how would you get inverted in the first place?
A half loop would do it, but the radius of the loop would need to be huge, so the driver didn't black out trying to do a vertical 180° at 100mph plus.
It might be theoretically possible, but in practice... Nah!
In theory it is possible yes. I am sure McLaren actually demonstrated it in a wind tunnel once.. Will go looking for a linkNow, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
If you have a 600kg car, and it produces 600kg of downforce at 100mph, then, theoretically of course, it would just balance the force of gravity, if it was able to do 100mph upside down.
Theres a lot more to it though. You would need to go fast enough to give enough downforce to produce enough traction to maintain speed, then how would you get inverted in the first place?
A half loop would do it, but the radius of the loop would need to be huge, so the driver didn't black out trying to do a vertical 180° at 100mph plus.
It might be theoretically possible, but in practice... Nah!
Chewykneeslider said:
Whenever theres some racing on the telly where the cars have big wings and spoilers, you can guarantee that the comentator will trot out the old maxim that, 'There's so much downforce, you could drive these upside down.'
Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
No, but this has a stab at it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1752888-can-a-f...Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
Chewykneeslider said:
Whenever theres some racing on the telly where the cars have big wings and spoilers, you can guarantee that the comentator will trot out the old maxim that, 'There's so much downforce, you could drive these upside down.'
Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
If you have a 600kg car, and it produces 600kg of downforce at 100mph, then, theoretically of course, it would just balance the force of gravity, if it was able to do 100mph upside down.
Theres a lot more to it though. You would need to go fast enough to give enough downforce to produce enough traction to maintain speed, then how would you get inverted in the first place?
A half loop would do it, but the radius of the loop would need to be huge, so the driver didn't black out trying to do a vertical 180° at 100mph plus.
It might be theoretically possible, but in practice... Nah!
you do it in a wide, smooth, cylindrical tunnel, up the wall, onto the ceiling, easy Now, has anyone ever proved this, properly?
If you have a 600kg car, and it produces 600kg of downforce at 100mph, then, theoretically of course, it would just balance the force of gravity, if it was able to do 100mph upside down.
Theres a lot more to it though. You would need to go fast enough to give enough downforce to produce enough traction to maintain speed, then how would you get inverted in the first place?
A half loop would do it, but the radius of the loop would need to be huge, so the driver didn't black out trying to do a vertical 180° at 100mph plus.
It might be theoretically possible, but in practice... Nah!
mcflurry said:
AFAIK the lane changing used to be true, not because the camera doesn't work, but because they didn't get Type Approval to earn £60 (100) for the Scamera partnership Christmas party 
Yes I believe that's the case. There used to be "stay in lane" signs whenever they were in use, as I recall.Then they quickly sorted it out so that it doesn't matter which lane you're in...probably about 10 or 15 years ago now!
geeks said:
In theory it is possible yes. I am sure McLaren actually demonstrated it in a wind tunnel once.. Will go looking for a link
I don't think it's possible. It's downforce, not up force. Gravity won't allow it. No car can drive upside down in this way. They could go round a tunnel with momentum but not for a mile say totally upside down. Some one way cleverer than me will explain it better but this really is a myth. Only an opinion and happy to be proved wrong with a McLaren video or whatever of a car actually doing this, travelling a long distance upside down using downforce, not the momentum it's gathered.Thankyou4calling said:
geeks said:
In theory it is possible yes. I am sure McLaren actually demonstrated it in a wind tunnel once.. Will go looking for a link
I don't think it's possible. It's downforce, not up force. Gravity won't allow it. No car can drive upside down in this way. They could go round a tunnel with momentum but not for a mile say totally upside down. Some one way cleverer than me will explain it better but this really is a myth. Only an opinion and happy to be proved wrong with a McLaren video or whatever of a car actually doing this, travelling a long distance upside down using downforce, not the momentum it's gathered.
It would be 'up force' if the car was upside down, that's the point. The wings on a car are, to all intents and purposes, the opposite way up to those on an aircraft, so they push the car into the road, rather than lift it off the ground. Turn the car upside down and it will take off if the wings generate enough lift, or in this case, could run on the ceiling.
Yes, I know it's not that simple, but for the purposes of illustration it will suffice.
Yes, I know it's not that simple, but for the purposes of illustration it will suffice.
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