is it ok to let a car roll on idle revs in traffic?
is it ok to let a car roll on idle revs in traffic?
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Boobonman

5,701 posts

222 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Absolutely fine.

kambites

71,513 posts

251 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Modern engines are very tolerant to all sorts of abuse. It might use a bit more fuel than changing down, but it's not going to do any harm.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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If it isn't struggling then it's fine.

Boobonman

5,701 posts

222 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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I spend a lot of time in traffic in various vehicles, do this all the time in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and sometimes even 4th.

kambites

71,513 posts

251 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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maverickdrives said:
kambites said:
Modern engines are very tolerant to all sorts of abuse. It might use a bit more fuel than changing down, but it's not going to do any harm.
lol i cant go any lower than first gear in traffic :P Im usually rolling at idle revs in first gear on flat
Ah, missed that bit. No it wont do any harm.

smokeey

1,541 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Boobonman said:
I spend a lot of time in traffic in various vehicles, do this all the time in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and sometimes even 4th.
What the hell are you driving that will idle in 4th with the clutch out?

ismellburning

136 posts

168 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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smokeey said:
What the hell are you driving that will idle in 4th with the clutch out?
All cars, surely – it'll just idle while moving fairly fast.

Dog Star

17,609 posts

198 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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smokeey said:
What the hell are you driving that will idle in 4th with the clutch out?
My SLK cruises at about 65mph at 1200rpm; it's an auto so it's not like it's me abusing it or anything.

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

221 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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ismellburning said:
smokeey said:
What the hell are you driving that will idle in 4th with the clutch out?
All cars, surely – it'll just idle while moving fairly fast.
I think a lot of cars would stall in 4th gear!

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

196 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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You'd be surprised actually - modern computer controlled fuel injection cars will increase the throttle when the engine speed drops below idle, so it will probably idle in 3rd absolutely fine. There's a limit obviously - it won't keep it from stalling on a steep hill.

ouch

132 posts

190 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Guess it depends on how sophisticated the idle control system is, some have a lot more scope for increasing air & fuelling to deal with the load of idle-whilst-in-gear - whereas others don't. My '96 TDI will happily idle along in 4th on a flat road, for example.

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

196 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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maverickdrives said:
mine is a 13 year old car, do they still count those as modern cars ? I know its not a classic.
Yes

fjord

2,143 posts

167 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Don't auto's do this all the time?

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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ismellburning said:
All cars, surely – it'll just idle while moving fairly fast.
Some idle control systems have greater range than others, i.e. can correct for more engine load.

My ZS180 would pull ~30mph in 5th with no trouble at all when the engine was cold because of the high idle speed, but I wouldn't expect a small engined car to be able to do that.

thatdude

2,660 posts

157 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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I will let my car (civic 1.6) roll along at idle in 1st and 2nd gear. Not third, because it dosnt feel right. But it's a perfectly safe practice. Just dont boot it too hard from idle; high loads at low rpm isnt great for an engine

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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fjord said:
Don't auto's do this all the time?
Yes, but that's with a torque converter... They don't have a fully locked connection to the engine, it'd rotating a viscous coupling that allows varying degrees of slip so the engine can't be laboured.

thatdude said:
I will let my car (civic 1.6) roll along at idle in 1st and 2nd gear. Not third, because it dosnt feel right. But it's a perfectly safe practice. Just dont boot it too hard from idle; high loads at low rpm isnt great for an engine
Citation needed.

E30Addict

825 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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I was told that doing this can cause problems if you have a car with a dual mass flywheel, and you should always apply some throttle. This could be complete rubbish though...Anyone else heard this?

zeppelin101

724 posts

222 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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maverickdrives said:
not sure I doubt my car has a DMF, usually diesel engines have that.
A lot of petrols from the last 10 years have them too. All new ones will.


Lazygraduate

1,790 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th January 2014
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Seem to remember Harry Metcalfe driving his Zonda without using the throttle in one of his videos. Got to about 30 in 6th if I remember correctly!