Hybrid mpg?
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300bhp/ton

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41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Recently my brother got a newish Prius as company car, I've not had chance to go in one before. And while it's easy to hate on principle, I honestly was interested.

And tbh it's kinda cool, quite space age in many respects. The glove boxes and other bits feel and sound 99p store and the suspension is noisy with the kind of ride quality I would expect from an 1980's mass market family hatchback.

But performance was strong and overall quite impressed. Now I've never hated these, although I do hate the hysterical bullst that surrounds them, especially how they get cheap everything and are viewed as fashion accessories by most Hollywood celebs.

But what really astounded me was, not only does this example come with a 1.8 litre engine and a headline power figure to rival some of the warmer family cars on the market, but the fact it was only managing 27mpg!!!


And no this wasn't a quick reset and a blast down the road, this was an average after 4 or 5 complete fill ups.


I'm sure if you stick to town driving and use mostly the electric motor they can be frugal, but evidently being used as a 'normal' car for longer distances, a hybrid such as this really is an exercise in marketing bullst, rather than one in making a more frugal car with lower emissions.

And not that I care about such silly things as a carbon foot print, but as that sort of thing seems important to greenies, lets not forget a hybrid has the same carbon foot print (construction) of any other petrol powered car PLUS the carbon foot print of building an electric drive train. So a much larger total carbon foot print than a regular ICE powered car.


A cool car in it's own right, but one that should be paying more road tax than a Ferrari and not get free parking!

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Friday 17th January 09:58

mcflurry

9,190 posts

283 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Last weekend we were in a Pious taxi. The driver said his real world mpg was between 50 and 60 mpg smile

rowanxx

95 posts

155 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Check your tire pressures, have been known to half mpg figures!

KTF

10,678 posts

180 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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How does he normally use the car?

If its mainly used on the motorway then its the engine doing all the work and not the batteries so that will always impact the MPG.

If its in town or stop/start then that will use the batteries more and the engine less so the MPG will be better.

JamesD1

844 posts

157 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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the way people drive hybrids round my way im not suprised at figures like that for mpg.
If you want a frugal car that you still wish to hammer around get a decent diesel motor. my old fiesta van did upwards of 60mpg and i didnt poodle around in it.

mike-r

1,539 posts

221 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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I'd suggest something is a bit wrong there if a 1.8 is only getting 27mpg on the motorway. I get more than that from a 3.0 and I don't exactly hang around.

300bhp/ton

Original Poster:

41,030 posts

220 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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mike-r said:
I'd suggest something is a bit wrong there if a 1.8 is only getting 27mpg on the motorway. I get more than that from a 3.0 and I don't exactly hang around.
I love how people always assume something must be wrong...

Honestly I'm sure the car is 100% fine. But driving normally, using the available performance and doing motorway work evidently shows up the Prius as not being all that frugal for that kind of use.

And yes, I'm fully sure a larger engine petrol non hybrid could deliver similar or better mpg for the same use, which is kind of my point. Why should a Prius get free road tax, congestion and parking charges reduced or for free, when under use like this they use as much or more fuel than a normal car and will be pumping out just as many emissions.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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I used a Prius over xmas, first actual drive in one tbh and my findings were;

It averaged about 40-45mpg
Brakes were stupidly over servoed
It was noisy at 80+
Ride and handling were no better or worse than any other modern 'A-B' car
Electric only drive wasn't used that much, it was gutless when pulling away and generally the acceleration was poor

This particular Prius was 3 years old and had covered 50K, faultless service record, nothing ever falls off.

But.

My 12yr old 200,000 mile Volvo was faster, as economical, waaaaaaay more comfortable, sounded better and was as, if not cheaper to run all things considered and utterly destroyed the Prius once rolling.

It just confirmed everything I thought about them really. OK car, clever bit of kit but nowhere near as economical as everyone likes to make out, certainly not enough to overlook the driving experience and environment.

blank

3,765 posts

218 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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A Prius doing 27mpg is either:

Someone calculating it wrong.

Something wrong with the car.

Someone deliberately driving as hard as possible.

http://therighttrack.millbrook.co.uk/proving-groun...

wemorgan

3,583 posts

208 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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Based on 1840 cars, the average is 54mpg, with 400 getting >60mpg

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/49-Toyota/4...

mike-r

1,539 posts

221 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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300bhp/ton said:
mike-r said:
I'd suggest something is a bit wrong there if a 1.8 is only getting 27mpg on the motorway. I get more than that from a 3.0 and I don't exactly hang around.
I love how people always assume something must be wrong...

Honestly I'm sure the car is 100% fine. But driving normally, using the available performance and doing motorway work evidently shows up the Prius as not being all that frugal for that kind of use.

And yes, I'm fully sure a larger engine petrol non hybrid could deliver similar or better mpg for the same use, which is kind of my point. Why should a Prius get free road tax, congestion and parking charges reduced or for free, when under use like this they use as much or more fuel than a normal car and will be pumping out just as many emissions.
I think the assumption is justified and worth investigation at least. Every car I've had from little 1.4s Peugeots to 90s-spec V8s have got at least 27mpg. I don't believe Toyota would release a car in the 21st century, whose USP is supposedly efficiency, that tested so low on a run.

Of course interested to know what speeds this was achieved at, which will probably explain all.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

234 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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wemorgan said:
Based on 1840 cars, the average is 54mpg, with 400 getting >60mpg

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/49-Toyota/4...
Ah but we have one post from one person so we now know that ALL prius owners are lying and are only getting mid 20mpg

FACT

And the battery MUST of failed by now

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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What this tells me is that your brother hasn't got a clue how to drive properly!



(whilst our cars get more and more complicated, and have more and more legislative loops to jump through and be tested and marked against, the poor old lump of lard behind the wheel has no such requirements!)



WRumbled

392 posts

257 months

Friday 17th January 2014
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I really don't hang about in mine, and I get 40-45mpg out of it. I couldn't drive the car fast enough on public roads to get it down to 27mpg. There would always be something in the way.

I agree with the other posters that have said something must be wrong with his.