Cambelt snapped...
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Boobonman

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5,700 posts

221 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Woe is me. I think the cambelt has let go on my bangernomics Volvo.



Was just gently pulling away at no more than 1500rpm when it spluttered and cut out. Tried to restart immediately and engine spinning freely.

The internet seems pretty divided on whether the engine is an interference one or not with tales of belts being replaced with no valve damage, so I have bought a new belt for £10. I intend to encourage my spanner wielding mate to help by plying him with beers so we shall see!

On the plus side engine speed and load was very low when it happened, and I certainly didn't hear the valves being smashed to smithereens by the pistons, but would you expect to?

If it won't run nicely with the new belt then I shall bid it farewell via the medium of ebay.

And probably buy another one

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Shame! Get the plugs out and have a peer down onto the pistons, should be easy to see if the valves are nuked.

Boobonman

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5,700 posts

221 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Do you mean look for damage on the top of the pistons? Hadn't thought of that. Was just going to chuck the new belt on, time it up and start it.

The thing has been fantastically reliable and great fun, and cost absolute buttons to buy and run. Its only recently been MOT'd and been treated to some new tyres so would be nice to keep on trucking in the old beast.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Yep, you should be able to see any contact marks on the piston crowns, it isn't a 100% sure way (sometimes the valves won't cut through all the coking so can't be seen that way), but it's cheap and easy! smile

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

275 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Boobonman said:
Was just going to chuck the new belt on, time it up and start it.
After any significant engine failure or work you should always,
  • Remove the spark plugs, and
  • Turn the engine a couple of revolutions by hand before trying to use the starter.
Better safe than sorry.

carinaman

25,127 posts

201 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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The Gates catalogue, if I've selected the correct engine seems to say 'interference':

http://navigates.gates.com/Parts.aspx?Year=1993&am...

Boobonman

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5,700 posts

221 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Yeah, most of the literature seems to suggest they are interference, however there are a fair few people who have seemingly 'got away with it'.

Has anyone ever had a cambelt go? I would have thought that valves being pummeled into submission by the pistons would sound pretty catastrophic?

Boobonman

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5,700 posts

221 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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carinaman said:
The Gates catalogue, if I've selected the correct engine seems to say 'interference':

http://navigates.gates.com/Parts.aspx?Year=1993&am...
Nearly right. Mine is the 2.0' turbo, AKA B200ft.

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Boobonman said:
carinaman said:
The Gates catalogue, if I've selected the correct engine seems to say 'interference':

http://navigates.gates.com/Parts.aspx?Year=1993&am...
Nearly right. Mine is the 2.0' turbo, AKA B200ft.
You may be lucky and I do hope you are. Cheapest (barge territory) solution must be to examine the head/pistons probably with a new HG although there are clever cameras that can be inserted in the non running bores and provide light to examine the pistons and send this to a laptop. I presume the cambelt kit is around £125? Possibly less if an alternative belt can be found. Changing the belt and resetting the timing will show what has happened but if there is damage sadly probably beyond economic repair. Three of my children have managed to fail to replace cambelts until there was a bang. In two cases the engine (VW) was run free. In the third it was scrap (Toyota 16 valve). So you may be lucky but some sort of assessment needs to be made. Cambelts are not cheap in banger motoring as you probably know.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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I got lucky after a camshaft pulley bolt unwound itself on my Rallye - I was only doing 1500-ish RPM as well, it seems the pistons simply punted the valves around. I took the head off, checked the valves for sealing etc (all fine) and put the engine back together; ran sweet as a nut until the car got written off.

carinaman

25,127 posts

201 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Boobonman said:
Nearly right. Mine is the 2.0' turbo, AKA B200ft.
Is your engine on the Gates catalogue? I used to have their PDF catalogue on my computer but now they want those downloading it to register.

Nice photo, sorry to learn it's broken. Hopefully it didn't suffer valves hitting pistons. frown

Pet Troll

1,363 posts

207 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Boobonman said:
Has anyone ever had a cambelt go? I would have thought that valves being pummeled into submission by the pistons would sound pretty catastrophic?
Not always. Had a clio cambelt go while idling in a queue of traffic, it just sounded like the engine had been turned off with the key, no clattering, no horrible metal sounds. It turns out all 16 valves were bent quite badly.

graham22

3,326 posts

234 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Wouldn't a valve clearance/tappet check show up any bent or stuck open valves by excessive gap?

Worth whipping the cam cover off & turning the camshaft round to visibly check too.


James_N

3,302 posts

263 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Buy a B230FK next time as they are non interference wink

Finlandia

7,818 posts

260 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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The belt in mine jumped three cogs while driving normally at 35-40mph, the engine spluttered three times and died and wouldn't start again. A compression test, a new belt and a new water pump and it runs like a dream again.
This on a somewhat more delicate C70 T5, so yours should be fine too.

HustleRussell

26,497 posts

189 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Finlandia said:
The belt in mine jumped three cogs while driving normally at 35-40mph, the engine spluttered three times and died and wouldn't start again. A compression test, a new belt and a new water pump and it runs like a dream again.
This on a somewhat more delicate C70 T5, so yours should be fine too.
Jumping three teeth is quite different to shredding the belt entirely. If the OP doesn't have bent valves he should probably go and buy a lottery ticket.

Rich1973

1,277 posts

206 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Is that a steaming pile in the photo??!

Dr Doofenshmirtz

16,952 posts

229 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Which pile of st am I supposed to be looking at?

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
Which pile of st am I supposed to be looking at?
Quite. Well spotted! smile

Finlandia

7,818 posts

260 months

Monday 20th January 2014
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HustleRussell said:
Jumping three teeth is quite different to shredding the belt entirely. If the OP doesn't have bent valves he should probably go and buy a lottery ticket.
Yes, but so is the old school B20 in comparison to the rather more delicate T5 smile

AFAIK (and from a quick look at the Swedish Volvo enthusiast sites) the B200 is the same engine as the B230 with a smaller bore, and that would mean that it's non-interference. There seems to be information saying otherwise as well though, confusing...