Just sold a car, now re advertised with lower mileage.
Discussion
We just sold a car with nearly 150k on the clock to a dealer, who claimed he was private right up until he wanted to fill in the dealer part of the reg form, and then scribbled through the mileage bit on the form.( I know that is fine to do, just pointing it out )
Now we see it re-advertised and I have anonymously asked about the mileage, and he is stating 135k on the clock, with a new 12m MOT.
Not sure if I should do anything really.
Now we see it re-advertised and I have anonymously asked about the mileage, and he is stating 135k on the clock, with a new 12m MOT.
Not sure if I should do anything really.
Not sure of the action you should take, but it's most definitely frowned upon.
Report to OFT, perhaps?
http://www.oft.gov.uk/OFTwork/consumer-enforcement...
Report to OFT, perhaps?
http://www.oft.gov.uk/OFTwork/consumer-enforcement...
confused_buyer said:
I don't really understand why anyone would take the risk and bother of clocking a 150k car to 135k. To 80k maybe, but 135k is still "high" and won't make a massive difference to the value.
Not saying they haven't done it, just that they're a bit of an idiot on the risk/reward front.
If there's a good service history, it's worth more just to give the car a small trim "within" the documented history, rather than destroy the history. Not saying they haven't done it, just that they're a bit of an idiot on the risk/reward front.
Happened to an S2000 I sold 5 years ago...turned up at a "model specialist" with 39k not the 46k I'd sold it at...
Did you speak to the dealer or was it e-mail? When I traded my Saab in, the garage first used it for a few weeks before it went on the forecourt, in which time they'd put a couple of thousand more miles on the clock. If your old car now has 153k, 135k might just be a typo. However, if you're sure that's not the case, then it's worth speaking up (though I agree with the above; I can't see much of an upside clocking a 150k miler down to a 'mere' 135k, especially as the punishment probably isn't mileage adjusted!)...
I've had several (5 I think) calls from new owners/Trading Standards re. ex-cars of mine and enquiring as the the mileage of cars when I've sold or px-ed them - all have been clocked (I keep my cars very nice and clean, so clearly the buyer reckons they can carry it off).
My own *personal* belief is that almost all used cars are clocked, it's on a sliding scale - the more owners the more likely to have been clocked. If a second hand trader is involved then I will disregard the displayed mileage totally and go off condition. It's been clocked.
My own *personal* belief is that almost all used cars are clocked, it's on a sliding scale - the more owners the more likely to have been clocked. If a second hand trader is involved then I will disregard the displayed mileage totally and go off condition. It's been clocked.
so its lost 15,000 miles?
its possible it couldnt be wound back more than that as the history with VOSA will log the mileage of the last MOT. they can say its stood doing nothing rather than doing 15k then, get the "mileage correction" man in to do his thing and then whap it out for a fresh MOT where the "corrected" mileage will be recorded then with VOSA. VOSA dont know whats gone on since the last MOT - this is the good thing about the VOSA history - whereas before people could clock years of mileage from a car now you are limited to whats reasonable for one years worth of motoring.
worth contact trading standards to investigate - its not just this car but left to hisd own devices the dealer will keep doing it and conning people out of more money although granted in this case 15,000 fewer miles is hardly going to affect value to any real extent.....
its possible it couldnt be wound back more than that as the history with VOSA will log the mileage of the last MOT. they can say its stood doing nothing rather than doing 15k then, get the "mileage correction" man in to do his thing and then whap it out for a fresh MOT where the "corrected" mileage will be recorded then with VOSA. VOSA dont know whats gone on since the last MOT - this is the good thing about the VOSA history - whereas before people could clock years of mileage from a car now you are limited to whats reasonable for one years worth of motoring.
worth contact trading standards to investigate - its not just this car but left to hisd own devices the dealer will keep doing it and conning people out of more money although granted in this case 15,000 fewer miles is hardly going to affect value to any real extent.....
Or... something to get the punters in. I once viewed a Civic with sub 20k miles advertised. When we turned up to view it had 32k on the clock. It got us there as we weren't really looking for one with over 20k miles. Initially a bit annoyed but got him down on price and bought it in the end. Traders excuse was that the mileages sometimes got mixed up by his admin person.
The Corsa we traded in appeared on his website a few days later with a 10k fewer miles on it.
The Corsa we traded in appeared on his website a few days later with a 10k fewer miles on it.
I'm gonna go with the type theory. It's on 153k, he typed 135k by mistake.
They won't give a car such a hair cut. If it's in top nick, they would clock it down to sub 50k or something and fake up documents/ service history to fool a potential buyer.
It's almost impossible for genuine traders to consider clocking since we have had 4 or 5 years of online MOT history
They won't give a car such a hair cut. If it's in top nick, they would clock it down to sub 50k or something and fake up documents/ service history to fool a potential buyer.
It's almost impossible for genuine traders to consider clocking since we have had 4 or 5 years of online MOT history
OK.
Looked into this now in more detail.
We have a sales photo showing 139k and was advertised in the trader finally with "just under 150k"
I have a waterpump fitting invoice showing 140k. We just entered the reg and reference number in the gov site and it was MOTed yesterday and it says 135,077.So, I have proof, along with the service records from my garage it was close to 150k as sold, and GOV proof it now reads 135k.
Looked into this now in more detail.
We have a sales photo showing 139k and was advertised in the trader finally with "just under 150k"
I have a waterpump fitting invoice showing 140k. We just entered the reg and reference number in the gov site and it was MOTed yesterday and it says 135,077.So, I have proof, along with the service records from my garage it was close to 150k as sold, and GOV proof it now reads 135k.
Would it not log on the cars ecu?
My landy Indy used to work for a garage before going mobile self employed.
He used to see loads of RRS come in for some work, plugging in the diagnostic machines flagged up the mileage had been changed in one ecu but not the one for the gearbox...
Some by 10-20k, others had lost over 60k in recorded miles.
There were some rather unhappy owners leaving after finding out their 120k car was actually a 150k+ car.
My landy Indy used to work for a garage before going mobile self employed.
He used to see loads of RRS come in for some work, plugging in the diagnostic machines flagged up the mileage had been changed in one ecu but not the one for the gearbox...
Some by 10-20k, others had lost over 60k in recorded miles.
There were some rather unhappy owners leaving after finding out their 120k car was actually a 150k+ car.
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