Abandoned Overtakes
Discussion
Ha! This ought to bring some memories back or get the hairs on the back of the neck standing.....
Surely most PHers have been in the unenviable predicament of going for an overtake only realising it aint gonna happen after committing and you have to abandon it mid-way. Most probably it occurred in your younger days when common sense and forward planning sometimes went out of the window.
So whats your story? Mine was when I had a cheeky little red Cinquecento Sporting brand new thinking it was quick for a 1.1 - anyway I scared the living daylights out of myself and a friends girlfriend up in the Peak district back in 1996. We were batting along heading north up the A515 between Ashbourne and Buxton. Anybody who knows that route will also know the long uphill straight that comes after a series of S bends through the village of Fenny Bentley. It must be half a mile up that hill dead straight with an old railway overbridge marking almost the summit.
Anyway there I was stirring the 5 speed stick getting the maximum I could out of the 55bhp Cinq and as we came to Fenny Bentley I came up behind a white Mk3 Astra GSi. Both sticking to the 40mph village limit then as we left the village and approached the final bend before the long uphil straight the Astra puts air between us. We reach the start of the long straight and Astraman has eased right off and now he wants to saunter at 45mph on a NSL road good for 60. So I'm catching him up again and really winding the tiny washing machine up to maximum thrust ready for that opportunistic "slingshot" overtake. Nothing coming the other way so I get up behind the Astra in 3rd and nail it out with a flat change to 4th. That thing could definitely go when you tried hard enough. Astraman (probably did not want to be overtaken by a tiny little jumped up Fiat) then tickled the 2.0 150bhp motor and I found myself next to him, neck and neck with my 1.1 engine having given all it can and can offer no more despite my best efforts to just gain one car length to get round and pull back in front. As I backed off to behind he even eased right off to make that difficult for me (he wasnt playing cricket). I had to abandon the move and swallow hard. Of course Astraman then slowed down after the failed attempt. Such was my youthful rage at what this guy had patently done I was clinging onto his back bumper right up until Alsop-en-le-Dale where on a short sharp right hander that dips down violently, I just gunned it again, out and as I got level, the Astra took a sneaky left hand turn. I kind of felt I'd done quite well up against his obvious disdain for the Cinq. He had 3 times the power of my car but he couldnt restrain himself. I always imagined the conversation down the pub with his mates......hey lads I blew away a Cinquecento the other day. Oh right right and what was you driving.....a 150bhp GSi........cue some tumbleweed. OK John.......
I like the odd tussle even today often choosing cars well above the punching weight of my car and not the other way around. I still marvel at why some people like to get their kicks by blowing off say a Smart Car in their Audi RS4 or 335d. These drivers love a real challenge then
Had another scathe in 2002 when I had a new 1.6 Focus Zetec. This was pure lack of awareness. I was out past Rhayader in mid-wales going for an overtake of a couple in a Honda Civic. The road was straight but laid down on a series of roller coaster hidden dips. I timed it so that I could view if anything was coming over the next hump on the horizon and thought enough time had elasped for anything still in the dip to appear - nothing. Went for the overtake and unbeknown to me was that a Rover 800 was already down in the dip and was now heading back out of it straight for me. Shizer......slammed on the anchors and pulled back in behind the Civic. Caused Rover man to get one side of the car in the dirt. A bit too close a call. Lesson learned that day.....I swear though the solid handling of the Focus Mk1 kept me out of the brown stuff that day.
Tell us your overtake FAILS then....... all the juicy details.....
Surely most PHers have been in the unenviable predicament of going for an overtake only realising it aint gonna happen after committing and you have to abandon it mid-way. Most probably it occurred in your younger days when common sense and forward planning sometimes went out of the window.
So whats your story? Mine was when I had a cheeky little red Cinquecento Sporting brand new thinking it was quick for a 1.1 - anyway I scared the living daylights out of myself and a friends girlfriend up in the Peak district back in 1996. We were batting along heading north up the A515 between Ashbourne and Buxton. Anybody who knows that route will also know the long uphill straight that comes after a series of S bends through the village of Fenny Bentley. It must be half a mile up that hill dead straight with an old railway overbridge marking almost the summit.
Anyway there I was stirring the 5 speed stick getting the maximum I could out of the 55bhp Cinq and as we came to Fenny Bentley I came up behind a white Mk3 Astra GSi. Both sticking to the 40mph village limit then as we left the village and approached the final bend before the long uphil straight the Astra puts air between us. We reach the start of the long straight and Astraman has eased right off and now he wants to saunter at 45mph on a NSL road good for 60. So I'm catching him up again and really winding the tiny washing machine up to maximum thrust ready for that opportunistic "slingshot" overtake. Nothing coming the other way so I get up behind the Astra in 3rd and nail it out with a flat change to 4th. That thing could definitely go when you tried hard enough. Astraman (probably did not want to be overtaken by a tiny little jumped up Fiat) then tickled the 2.0 150bhp motor and I found myself next to him, neck and neck with my 1.1 engine having given all it can and can offer no more despite my best efforts to just gain one car length to get round and pull back in front. As I backed off to behind he even eased right off to make that difficult for me (he wasnt playing cricket). I had to abandon the move and swallow hard. Of course Astraman then slowed down after the failed attempt. Such was my youthful rage at what this guy had patently done I was clinging onto his back bumper right up until Alsop-en-le-Dale where on a short sharp right hander that dips down violently, I just gunned it again, out and as I got level, the Astra took a sneaky left hand turn. I kind of felt I'd done quite well up against his obvious disdain for the Cinq. He had 3 times the power of my car but he couldnt restrain himself. I always imagined the conversation down the pub with his mates......hey lads I blew away a Cinquecento the other day. Oh right right and what was you driving.....a 150bhp GSi........cue some tumbleweed. OK John.......
I like the odd tussle even today often choosing cars well above the punching weight of my car and not the other way around. I still marvel at why some people like to get their kicks by blowing off say a Smart Car in their Audi RS4 or 335d. These drivers love a real challenge then
Had another scathe in 2002 when I had a new 1.6 Focus Zetec. This was pure lack of awareness. I was out past Rhayader in mid-wales going for an overtake of a couple in a Honda Civic. The road was straight but laid down on a series of roller coaster hidden dips. I timed it so that I could view if anything was coming over the next hump on the horizon and thought enough time had elasped for anything still in the dip to appear - nothing. Went for the overtake and unbeknown to me was that a Rover 800 was already down in the dip and was now heading back out of it straight for me. Shizer......slammed on the anchors and pulled back in behind the Civic. Caused Rover man to get one side of the car in the dirt. A bit too close a call. Lesson learned that day.....I swear though the solid handling of the Focus Mk1 kept me out of the brown stuff that day.
Tell us your overtake FAILS then....... all the juicy details.....
ToothbrushMan said:
Ha! This ought to bring some memories back or get the hairs on the back of the neck standing.....
Surely most PHers have been in the unenviable predicament of going for an overtake only realising it aint gonna happen after committing and you have to abandon it mid-way. Most probably it occurred in your younger days when common sense and forward planning sometimes went out of the window.
So whats your story? Mine was when I had a cheeky little red Cinquecento Sporting brand new thinking it was quick for a 1.1 - anyway I scared the living daylights out of myself and a friends girlfriend up in the Peak district back in 1996. We were batting along heading north up the A515 between Ashbourne and Buxton. Anybody who knows that route will also know the long uphill straight that comes after a series of S bends through the village of Fenny Bentley. It must be half a mile up that hill dead straight with an old railway overbridge marking almost the summit.
Anyway there I was stirring the 5 speed stick getting the maximum I could out of the 55bhp Cinq and as we came to Fenny Bentley I came up behind a white Mk3 Astra GSi. Both sticking to the 40mph village limit then as we left the village and approached the final bend before the long uphil straight the Astra puts air between us. We reach the start of the long straight and Astraman has eased right off and now he wants to saunter at 45mph on a NSL road good for 60. So I'm catching him up again and really winding the tiny washing machine up to maximum thrust ready for that opportunistic "slingshot" overtake. Nothing coming the other way so I get up behind the Astra in 3rd and nail it out with a flat change to 4th. That thing could definitely go when you tried hard enough. Astraman (probably did not want to be overtaken by a tiny little jumped up Fiat) then tickled the 2.0 150bhp motor and I found myself next to him, neck and neck with my 1.1 engine having given all it can and can offer no more despite my best efforts to just gain one car length to get round and pull back in front. As I backed off to behind he even eased right off to make that difficult for me (he wasnt playing cricket). I had to abandon the move and swallow hard. Of course Astraman then slowed down after the failed attempt. Such was my youthful rage at what this guy had patently done I was clinging onto his back bumper right up until Alsop-en-le-Dale where on a short sharp right hander that dips down violently, I just gunned it again, out and as I got level, the Astra took a sneaky left hand turn. I kind of felt I'd done quite well up against his obvious disdain for the Cinq. He had 3 times the power of my car but he couldnt restrain himself. I always imagined the conversation down the pub with his mates......hey lads I blew away a Cinquecento the other day. Oh right right and what was you driving.....a 150bhp GSi........cue some tumbleweed. OK John.......
I like the odd tussle even today often choosing cars well above the punching weight of my car and not the other way around. I still marvel at why some people like to get their kicks by blowing off say a Smart Car in their Audi RS4 or 335d. These drivers love a real challenge then
Had another scathe in 2002 when I had a new 1.6 Focus Zetec. This was pure lack of awareness. I was out past Rhayader in mid-wales going for an overtake of a couple in a Honda Civic. The road was straight but laid down on a series of roller coaster hidden dips. I timed it so that I could view if anything was coming over the next hump on the horizon and thought enough time had elasped for anything still in the dip to appear - nothing. Went for the overtake and unbeknown to me was that a Rover 800 was already down in the dip and was now heading back out of it straight for me. Shizer......slammed on the anchors and pulled back in behind the Civic. Caused Rover man to get one side of the car in the dirt. A bit too close a call. Lesson learned that day.....I swear though the solid handling of the Focus Mk1 kept me out of the brown stuff that day.
Tell us your overtake FAILS then....... all the juicy details.....
Got halfway through that and gave up.Surely most PHers have been in the unenviable predicament of going for an overtake only realising it aint gonna happen after committing and you have to abandon it mid-way. Most probably it occurred in your younger days when common sense and forward planning sometimes went out of the window.
So whats your story? Mine was when I had a cheeky little red Cinquecento Sporting brand new thinking it was quick for a 1.1 - anyway I scared the living daylights out of myself and a friends girlfriend up in the Peak district back in 1996. We were batting along heading north up the A515 between Ashbourne and Buxton. Anybody who knows that route will also know the long uphill straight that comes after a series of S bends through the village of Fenny Bentley. It must be half a mile up that hill dead straight with an old railway overbridge marking almost the summit.
Anyway there I was stirring the 5 speed stick getting the maximum I could out of the 55bhp Cinq and as we came to Fenny Bentley I came up behind a white Mk3 Astra GSi. Both sticking to the 40mph village limit then as we left the village and approached the final bend before the long uphil straight the Astra puts air between us. We reach the start of the long straight and Astraman has eased right off and now he wants to saunter at 45mph on a NSL road good for 60. So I'm catching him up again and really winding the tiny washing machine up to maximum thrust ready for that opportunistic "slingshot" overtake. Nothing coming the other way so I get up behind the Astra in 3rd and nail it out with a flat change to 4th. That thing could definitely go when you tried hard enough. Astraman (probably did not want to be overtaken by a tiny little jumped up Fiat) then tickled the 2.0 150bhp motor and I found myself next to him, neck and neck with my 1.1 engine having given all it can and can offer no more despite my best efforts to just gain one car length to get round and pull back in front. As I backed off to behind he even eased right off to make that difficult for me (he wasnt playing cricket). I had to abandon the move and swallow hard. Of course Astraman then slowed down after the failed attempt. Such was my youthful rage at what this guy had patently done I was clinging onto his back bumper right up until Alsop-en-le-Dale where on a short sharp right hander that dips down violently, I just gunned it again, out and as I got level, the Astra took a sneaky left hand turn. I kind of felt I'd done quite well up against his obvious disdain for the Cinq. He had 3 times the power of my car but he couldnt restrain himself. I always imagined the conversation down the pub with his mates......hey lads I blew away a Cinquecento the other day. Oh right right and what was you driving.....a 150bhp GSi........cue some tumbleweed. OK John.......
I like the odd tussle even today often choosing cars well above the punching weight of my car and not the other way around. I still marvel at why some people like to get their kicks by blowing off say a Smart Car in their Audi RS4 or 335d. These drivers love a real challenge then
Had another scathe in 2002 when I had a new 1.6 Focus Zetec. This was pure lack of awareness. I was out past Rhayader in mid-wales going for an overtake of a couple in a Honda Civic. The road was straight but laid down on a series of roller coaster hidden dips. I timed it so that I could view if anything was coming over the next hump on the horizon and thought enough time had elasped for anything still in the dip to appear - nothing. Went for the overtake and unbeknown to me was that a Rover 800 was already down in the dip and was now heading back out of it straight for me. Shizer......slammed on the anchors and pulled back in behind the Civic. Caused Rover man to get one side of the car in the dirt. A bit too close a call. Lesson learned that day.....I swear though the solid handling of the Focus Mk1 kept me out of the brown stuff that day.
Tell us your overtake FAILS then....... all the juicy details.....
Monkeylegend said:
ToothbrushMan said:
Ha! This ought to bring some memories back or get the hairs on the back of the neck standing.....
Surely most PHers have been in the unenviable predicament of going for an overtake only realising it aint gonna happen after committing and you have to abandon it mid-way. Most probably it occurred in your younger days when common sense and forward planning sometimes went out of the window.
So whats your story? Mine was when I had a cheeky little red Cinquecento Sporting brand new thinking it was quick for a 1.1 - anyway I scared the living daylights out of myself and a friends girlfriend up in the Peak district back in 1996. We were batting along heading north up the A515 between Ashbourne and Buxton. Anybody who knows that route will also know the long uphill straight that comes after a series of S bends through the village of Fenny Bentley. It must be half a mile up that hill dead straight with an old railway overbridge marking almost the summit.
Anyway there I was stirring the 5 speed stick getting the maximum I could out of the 55bhp Cinq and as we came to Fenny Bentley I came up behind a white Mk3 Astra GSi. Both sticking to the 40mph village limit then as we left the village and approached the final bend before the long uphil straight the Astra puts air between us. We reach the start of the long straight and Astraman has eased right off and now he wants to saunter at 45mph on a NSL road good for 60. So I'm catching him up again and really winding the tiny washing machine up to maximum thrust ready for that opportunistic "slingshot" overtake. Nothing coming the other way so I get up behind the Astra in 3rd and nail it out with a flat change to 4th. That thing could definitely go when you tried hard enough. Astraman (probably did not want to be overtaken by a tiny little jumped up Fiat) then tickled the 2.0 150bhp motor and I found myself next to him, neck and neck with my 1.1 engine having given all it can and can offer no more despite my best efforts to just gain one car length to get round and pull back in front. As I backed off to behind he even eased right off to make that difficult for me (he wasnt playing cricket). I had to abandon the move and swallow hard. Of course Astraman then slowed down after the failed attempt. Such was my youthful rage at what this guy had patently done I was clinging onto his back bumper right up until Alsop-en-le-Dale where on a short sharp right hander that dips down violently, I just gunned it again, out and as I got level, the Astra took a sneaky left hand turn. I kind of felt I'd done quite well up against his obvious disdain for the Cinq. He had 3 times the power of my car but he couldnt restrain himself. I always imagined the conversation down the pub with his mates......hey lads I blew away a Cinquecento the other day. Oh right right and what was you driving.....a 150bhp GSi........cue some tumbleweed. OK John.......
I like the odd tussle even today often choosing cars well above the punching weight of my car and not the other way around. I still marvel at why some people like to get their kicks by blowing off say a Smart Car in their Audi RS4 or 335d. These drivers love a real challenge then
Had another scathe in 2002 when I had a new 1.6 Focus Zetec. This was pure lack of awareness. I was out past Rhayader in mid-wales going for an overtake of a couple in a Honda Civic. The road was straight but laid down on a series of roller coaster hidden dips. I timed it so that I could view if anything was coming over the next hump on the horizon and thought enough time had elasped for anything still in the dip to appear - nothing. Went for the overtake and unbeknown to me was that a Rover 800 was already down in the dip and was now heading back out of it straight for me. Shizer......slammed on the anchors and pulled back in behind the Civic. Caused Rover man to get one side of the car in the dirt. A bit too close a call. Lesson learned that day.....I swear though the solid handling of the Focus Mk1 kept me out of the brown stuff that day.
Tell us your overtake FAILS then....... all the juicy details.....
Got halfway through that and gave up.Surely most PHers have been in the unenviable predicament of going for an overtake only realising it aint gonna happen after committing and you have to abandon it mid-way. Most probably it occurred in your younger days when common sense and forward planning sometimes went out of the window.
So whats your story? Mine was when I had a cheeky little red Cinquecento Sporting brand new thinking it was quick for a 1.1 - anyway I scared the living daylights out of myself and a friends girlfriend up in the Peak district back in 1996. We were batting along heading north up the A515 between Ashbourne and Buxton. Anybody who knows that route will also know the long uphill straight that comes after a series of S bends through the village of Fenny Bentley. It must be half a mile up that hill dead straight with an old railway overbridge marking almost the summit.
Anyway there I was stirring the 5 speed stick getting the maximum I could out of the 55bhp Cinq and as we came to Fenny Bentley I came up behind a white Mk3 Astra GSi. Both sticking to the 40mph village limit then as we left the village and approached the final bend before the long uphil straight the Astra puts air between us. We reach the start of the long straight and Astraman has eased right off and now he wants to saunter at 45mph on a NSL road good for 60. So I'm catching him up again and really winding the tiny washing machine up to maximum thrust ready for that opportunistic "slingshot" overtake. Nothing coming the other way so I get up behind the Astra in 3rd and nail it out with a flat change to 4th. That thing could definitely go when you tried hard enough. Astraman (probably did not want to be overtaken by a tiny little jumped up Fiat) then tickled the 2.0 150bhp motor and I found myself next to him, neck and neck with my 1.1 engine having given all it can and can offer no more despite my best efforts to just gain one car length to get round and pull back in front. As I backed off to behind he even eased right off to make that difficult for me (he wasnt playing cricket). I had to abandon the move and swallow hard. Of course Astraman then slowed down after the failed attempt. Such was my youthful rage at what this guy had patently done I was clinging onto his back bumper right up until Alsop-en-le-Dale where on a short sharp right hander that dips down violently, I just gunned it again, out and as I got level, the Astra took a sneaky left hand turn. I kind of felt I'd done quite well up against his obvious disdain for the Cinq. He had 3 times the power of my car but he couldnt restrain himself. I always imagined the conversation down the pub with his mates......hey lads I blew away a Cinquecento the other day. Oh right right and what was you driving.....a 150bhp GSi........cue some tumbleweed. OK John.......
I like the odd tussle even today often choosing cars well above the punching weight of my car and not the other way around. I still marvel at why some people like to get their kicks by blowing off say a Smart Car in their Audi RS4 or 335d. These drivers love a real challenge then
Had another scathe in 2002 when I had a new 1.6 Focus Zetec. This was pure lack of awareness. I was out past Rhayader in mid-wales going for an overtake of a couple in a Honda Civic. The road was straight but laid down on a series of roller coaster hidden dips. I timed it so that I could view if anything was coming over the next hump on the horizon and thought enough time had elasped for anything still in the dip to appear - nothing. Went for the overtake and unbeknown to me was that a Rover 800 was already down in the dip and was now heading back out of it straight for me. Shizer......slammed on the anchors and pulled back in behind the Civic. Caused Rover man to get one side of the car in the dirt. A bit too close a call. Lesson learned that day.....I swear though the solid handling of the Focus Mk1 kept me out of the brown stuff that day.
Tell us your overtake FAILS then....... all the juicy details.....
I think I've only done it once.
I hired a Smart Roadster when they were new. Nice little car with a hateful gearbox that nearly killed me. I went for an overtake on a clear sighted bit of road. When almost alongside the other car I changed up with the flappy paddles, however I must have been near the redline as when I changed up as the car automatically changed to forth. This left me in fifth gear wondering why the car suddenly had no power!!!
I didn't realise what had happen until later when it did it again.
I hired a Smart Roadster when they were new. Nice little car with a hateful gearbox that nearly killed me. I went for an overtake on a clear sighted bit of road. When almost alongside the other car I changed up with the flappy paddles, however I must have been near the redline as when I changed up as the car automatically changed to forth. This left me in fifth gear wondering why the car suddenly had no power!!!
I didn't realise what had happen until later when it did it again.
I was out on the other side just about to go past someone when I saw a massive puddle on the other side of the road that would have spat me out into a field the speed I was doing.
Quick check behind that it was clear, quick indicate and dab of the brakes and I pootled at a distance behind the chap I'd tried to overtake for the rest of the journey.
Not too exciting I know!
Quick check behind that it was clear, quick indicate and dab of the brakes and I pootled at a distance behind the chap I'd tried to overtake for the rest of the journey.
Not too exciting I know!
vtecyo said:
liner33 said:
I cant ever remember having to abandon an overtake mid way through , unless you count on the motorway where some tool has deliberately sped up.
On a normal road its either safe to overtake or its not
Exactly this.On a normal road its either safe to overtake or its not
I have abandoned overtakes before, for exactly that reason - trying to get past a dawdling diesel who speeds up can be difficult if you're not a powerfully built director with a million horsepower under your foot.
One unwilling person that springs to mind was a 3.0TDi A5, who raced me from 40-80mph to try and stop an overtake (having pottered around the previous twisty section at 30mph). Luckily it was safe and I kept my foot in, and had plenty of room to drop back if necessary, but had it been less than perfect conditions I would have had to abandon.
Edited by Krikkit on Friday 24th January 11:18
Krikkit said:
Unless your overtakee decides they don't want to be, at which point they nail it, and all bets are occasionally off.
I have abandoned overtakes before, for exactly that reason - trying to get past a dawdling diesel who speeds up can be difficult if you're not a powerfully built director with a million horsepower under your foot.
You need a faster car. I have abandoned overtakes before, for exactly that reason - trying to get past a dawdling diesel who speeds up can be difficult if you're not a powerfully built director with a million horsepower under your foot.
Krikkit said:
Agreed! Nevertheless, it is possible in modestly-powered cars to have issues trying to get past unwilling diesel drivers.
Didn't I address this? you need a faster car 
I'll admit to poking my nose out and getting on the go pedal and then spotting an oncoming car. But not next to them, just on their bumper.
When I am in AZ I use a Jeep a lot. It is not quick. You need to be very used to the roads...arrow straight in many places, and there are numerous deep dips that are hard to see. Given the leisurely acceleration and 75mph speed limits, if I am going to overtake I am very careful to check the dips in the distance to see that nothing has entered the dip before pulling out..had a few scary moments many years ago when I first went there.
My first car was a 2CV so I have certainly experienced this.
You have to abandon many things with a 2CV including some of your dignity. I once had to abandon going uphill. With three in the back and two in the front the 2CV failed to proceed on a steep, rainy road in Devon. There just wasn't enough weight over the front and we ended up stationary with the wheels spinning. There was a considerable amount of abuse from the passengers who had to get out and walk to the top of the hill, in retrospect I should have left them behind.
You have to abandon many things with a 2CV including some of your dignity. I once had to abandon going uphill. With three in the back and two in the front the 2CV failed to proceed on a steep, rainy road in Devon. There just wasn't enough weight over the front and we ended up stationary with the wheels spinning. There was a considerable amount of abuse from the passengers who had to get out and walk to the top of the hill, in retrospect I should have left them behind.
RDMcG said:
When I am in AZ I use a Jeep a lot. It is not quick. You need to be very used to the roads...arrow straight in many places, and there are numerous deep dips that are hard to see. Given the leisurely acceleration and 75mph speed limits, if I am going to overtake I am very careful to check the dips in the distance to see that nothing has entered the dip before pulling out..had a few scary moments many years ago when I first went there.
My Jeep is quite splendid for overtaking people in 
.I have never abandoned an overtake after committing, I only go for it if I am absolutely sure it is safe and fine. It is usually possible to predict from the car and driver how the person being overtaken will react. Usually it is a car that couldn't out-accelerate me anyway so there should be no danger of being blocked, especially with the speed differential already built up by the time they realise they are being overtaken.
I've abandoned an overtake once, due to a hose from intercooler to inlet manifold bursting half-way past. There was a bang, an instant loss of most of the power and an immediate decision to get off the wrong side of the road.
ETA - that's a lie. I've done it twice. The second time I was driving someone elses' car and the coil pack failed dropping 2 cylinders. Same basic decision making process as above.
ETA - that's a lie. I've done it twice. The second time I was driving someone elses' car and the coil pack failed dropping 2 cylinders. Same basic decision making process as above.
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