How to legally drive/repatriate my SORN, MOT expired car
How to legally drive/repatriate my SORN, MOT expired car
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digger_R

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1,809 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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As the title, my car has been SORN for a few months and is currently overseas. I just realised the MOT expired a few days ago. Obviously I can't buy road tax as it's no longer MOT'd - am i allowed to drive it to the MOT station without tax?

Any ideas how I can get the car (and drive it legally on UK soil) - entry to the UK will probably be Dover. My family home is in Birmingham, so it's ideal if I could MOT it there somehow.

Don1

16,805 posts

238 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Trailer it?

Motorrad

6,811 posts

217 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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You can drive it to a pre-booked MOT appointment-you don't need road tax for that. However if stopped by the Police I think you might struggle to persuade them the distance from Dover to Birmingham is 'reasonable' which is the only requirement AFAIK.

Glyn84

668 posts

210 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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I believe you're allowed to drive to a pre-booked MOT with a local garage without tax, and then from the garage to a post office to buy tax. You'll need insurance though.

littleredrooster

6,382 posts

226 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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There is no stipulation or restriction in the regs about distance which can be driven to an MOT station.

We do this once a month at least...

Oldandslow

2,405 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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You'll probably get away with it but if stopped the car better be in very good shape. I'd expect a copper to look for anything to do you for just because of the cheek of it.

CraigyMc

18,369 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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digger_R said:
As the title, my car has been SORN for a few months and is currently overseas. I just realised the MOT expired a few days ago. Obviously I can't buy road tax as it's no longer MOT'd - am i allowed to drive it to the MOT station without tax?

Any ideas how I can get the car (and drive it legally on UK soil) - entry to the UK will probably be Dover. My family home is in Birmingham, so it's ideal if I could MOT it there somehow.
Put it on a trailer or lowloader, and don't forget to MOT and insure it next time.

digger_R

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1,809 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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The car is fully insuring an in excellent condition so I wouldn't expect any issues with the state of the car if I was pulled over.
It sounds like, I either book the MoT in Birmingham and chance it, or book it in Dover with a garage I don't know

digger_R

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1,809 posts

236 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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digger_R said:
The car is fully insured and in excellent condition so I wouldn't expect any issues with the state of the car if I was pulled over.
It sounds like, I either book the MoT in Birmingham and chance it, or book it in Dover with a garage I don't know

Leptons

5,493 posts

206 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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CraigyMc said:
Put it on a trailer or lowloader, and don't forget to MOT and insure it next time.
1) The car is insured.

2) How can he MOT it in a foreign country?

3) Why would he pay tax in Britain if he's not driving there?

4) Read thread properly next time.


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Leptons said:
3) Why would he pay tax in Britain if he's not driving there?
Because, under the reciprocity rules, it has to be legal "at home" in order to be legal in the country he's visiting. Which means tax/insurance/mot.

CAPP0

20,866 posts

233 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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littleredrooster said:
There is no stipulation or restriction in the regs about distance which can be driven to an MOT station.

We do this once a month at least...
We do indeed - and I'll once again post that my brother in law was stopped and fined with points for his non-MOTd bike which he was taking 35 miles to an MOT place where he knew the owner. The copper argued (successfully, it seems, in light of the subsequent prosecution) that there were several MOT stations between his home and his planned destination which he could have ridden to.

There may be no specific rule but I think you'll be chancing your arm with a 150-ish mile journey to a pre-booked MOT, particularly with ANPR, and I would think you would struggle to talk your way out of that. I would have thought that travelling 10 miles instead of 5 is OK but not long distances. You could book an MOT in Dover, Canterbury, maybe even the Medway Towns, and if you were stopped the copper would be reasonably justified in wondering why you didn't.

littleredrooster

6,382 posts

226 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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CAPP0 said:
littleredrooster said:
There is no stipulation or restriction in the regs about distance which can be driven to an MOT station.

We do this once a month at least...
We do indeed - and I'll once again post that my brother in law was stopped and fined with points for his non-MOTd bike which he was taking 35 miles to an MOT place where he knew the owner. The copper argued (successfully, it seems, in light of the subsequent prosecution) that there were several MOT stations between his home and his planned destination which he could have ridden to.

There may be no specific rule but I think you'll be chancing your arm with a 150-ish mile journey to a pre-booked MOT, particularly with ANPR, and I would think you would struggle to talk your way out of that. I would have thought that travelling 10 miles instead of 5 is OK but not long distances. You could book an MOT in Dover, Canterbury, maybe even the Medway Towns, and if you were stopped the copper would be reasonably justified in wondering why you didn't.
Bit difficult to do a 'custard test' on this one, but I'm struggling to believe that it was just because there was a nearer MOT place. What - precisely - was he fined/endorsed for, given that there's no apparent basis in law for this?

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

180 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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... And you don't get points for no mot.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Buff Mchugelarge said:
... And you don't get points for no mot.
But technically you are uninsured so they'll do you for that instead.

I think the only way round is to have a pre-booked appointment with a test centre and be on your way to that.

V8forweekends

2,501 posts

154 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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B17NNS said:
But technically you are uninsured so they'll do you for that instead.
No you aren't.


littleredrooster

6,382 posts

226 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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B17NNS said:
Buff Mchugelarge said:
... And you don't get points for no mot.
But technically you are uninsured so they'll do you for that instead.
Oh no you're not...we do that one at least once a month too.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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littleredrooster said:
Oh no you're not...we do that one at least once a month too.
]Failure to hold a valid MOT is an offence under Section 47 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and can result in a fine of up to £1000. The offence of driving without an MOT does not carry penalty points although most policies of insurance will become invalid without an MOT being in place, which could lead to an offence of driving without insurance which carries between 6 and 8 penalty points.

http://www.justmotorlaw.co.uk/blog/index.php/2012/...

Edited by B17NNS on Monday 3rd February 17:56

Spangles

1,441 posts

215 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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B17NNS said:
littleredrooster said:
Oh no you're not...we do that one at least once a month too.
[i]Failure to hold a valid MOT is an offence under Section 47 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and can result in a fine of up to £1000. The offence of driving without an MOT does not carry penalty points although most policies of insurance will become invalid without an MOT being in place, which could lead to an offence of driving without insurance which carries between 6 and 8 penalty points.[/]

http://www.justmotorlaw.co.uk/blog/index.php/2012/...
They're wrong and you're wrong. Trouble is with their advice you're paying for it as well.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Monday 3rd February 2014
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Spangles said:
They're wrong and you're wrong. Trouble is with their advice you're paying for it as well.
Happy to be corrected. Just what I'd always been told so did a quick google and that came up.

A few sites say the same.

http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/driving-without-i...

Edited by B17NNS on Monday 3rd February 18:02