RE: BMW 435i M Sport: PH Fleet
RE: BMW 435i M Sport: PH Fleet
Thursday 6th February 2014

BMW 435i M Sport: PH Fleet

OK, so it's not an M4 but it can do social media on the M25



There remains an elephant in the room with the 435i based on its failure to engage as a driving machine. An elephant that has just made its presence felt smelt with a right stinker following exposure to both the new M4 and outgoing E92 M3. As you'll be aware, I've spent a week with the latter and kicked the tyres of the former and after exposure to 'upper case' M the 435i was always going to struggle.

Trim additions aside it's not a bona fide M though. So let's be fair and not try and compare it to one.

Web browsing about cars ... in your car
Web browsing about cars ... in your car
While we discuss ways of narrowing that performance gap for the next report I thought I'd explore some of the stuff the 4 Series is already good at. Namely providing a pleasant environment in which to spend time. I've said it already but recent exposure to both this and the 1 Series has really made me warm to current BMW interiors which, IMO and all that, are the pick of the big German three at the moment.

After bed hopping between various cars such as happens in this business the low-slung driver's seat of the 4 Series is always a welcome place to find myself. All that you touch and interact with feels thoughtfully tactile and the design is clean and fuss free. But I couldn't help notice there was a whole swathe of features on the screen I'd not delved into.

As part of this car's £1,000 Media Package I've got BMW Emergency Call, BMW Tele Services, BMW Online Services, BMW Apps, BMW- oh, you get the picture. Exploring all this stuff is the kind of thing long-term loans should be about. But I was baffled and went to see BMW's Dan Knight, who's an expert in all this. Like a teenager showing granddad an iPhone for the first time he patiently talked me through all the gadgets and gizmos fitted to my car I've so far ignored.

Shame on me but I hadn't even realised that the £95 Internet option means the car has its own in-built internet connection entirely independent of the phone that's paired to it for making calls and using Bluetooth audio - the extent of my connectivity thus far. Clearly I don't lead the correct manner of lifestyle to need all this stuff but through it you can seek out all manner of distractions, be it restaurants or whatever, scan online reviews and then get the directions programmed into the nav. Or via the Connected Drive website and the car's dedicated login do it at home on your computer or tablet and, via Google, send the information directly to the onboard computer. I've also now got logins to BMW's online music provider of choice Rara and installed the necessary apps onto my phone in order that I can - joy - keep touch with Twitter and Facebook in the car.

Having patiently nodded through Dan's explanation of this, dutifully downloaded various stuff onto my phone and readied myself to join the online revolution I promptly abandoned the 4 Series and instead mucked about with screaming M V8s and other delights. But now BMW has its M3 back and we won't get to drive the M4 for another few months.

Stand by for badly typed Facebook updates and Tweets live and direct from somewhere stationary between junctions 17 and 12 on the M25 each morning henceforth...


FACT SHEET
Car:
 2013 BMW 435i M Sport
Run by: Dan
On fleet since: October 2013
Mileage: 6,047
List price new: £48,160 (Basic list of £41,435 OTR plus £670 for 19-inch M double-spoke 442M wheels, £360 for Adaptive Headlights, £515 for Adaptive M Suspension, £350 for enhanced Bluetooth, £300 for folding mirrors, £825 for head-up display, £460 for Interior Comfort Package comprising memory electric seats, 'extended storage' and sun protection glass, £95 for internet, £675 for Harmon/Kardon speakers, £570 for M Sport brakes, £1,000 for BMW Professional Media Package, £325 for online entertainment, £330 for reversing camera and £250 for Variable Sport Steering.)
Last month at a glance: Great interior even more appealing now Dan knows what it does


Previous reports:
The 435i joins the PH Fleet
4 Series whets our appetite for the M version
Ultimate driving machine or disappointingly aloof? Time to find out
Rack or ruin for the 435i

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Discussion

FestivAli

Original Poster:

1,181 posts

268 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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I'm curious about in car internet. Not because I think it's something I would ever want, but who pays for it. You say it's a 95 pound option, but does that include data, and for how long? Does it still work 5 years on from now with the next owner of the car, do they just notify BMW and continue to pay the 95 pounds (yearly?) like I pay internet on this laptop? I'm not just asking this about BMW but for any car with internet and apps that you can download - at what point do they expire? Because otherwise it seems to me the same thing as having a 97 740i with a telephone in it that you can't use. I'd love to know the answer.

Ali.

Toaster Pilot

14,864 posts

188 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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Is in-car internet going to be the latest thing that gets banned for being too distracting? How is it any different to using a smartphone while driving?

Or, is it locked down so you can only use it when stationary?

kambites

71,482 posts

251 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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Toaster Pilot said:
Is in-car internet going to be the latest thing that gets banned for being too distracting? How is it any different to using a smartphone while driving?
Is it not already illegal under the same rules? I'm not sure how they're worded.

oldaudi

1,623 posts

188 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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FestivAli said:
I'm curious about in car internet. Not because I think it's something I would ever want, but who pays for it. You say it's a 95 pound option, but does that include data, and for how long? Does it still work 5 years on from now with the next owner of the car, do they just notify BMW and continue to pay the 95 pounds (yearly?) like I pay internet on this laptop? I'm not just asking this about BMW but for any car with internet and apps that you can download - at what point do they expire? Because otherwise it seems to me the same thing as having a 97 740i with a telephone in it that you can't use. I'd love to know the answer.

Ali.
Basically hidden away in there somewhere is a 4G modem. You pay for the SIM and put the SIM in and pay for the data. The cost to BMW is for the actual modem that creates the connection to the mobile carrier. BMW did a deal with China Unicon a few years ago to supply their 4G/LTE modem for the car. Audi have the same but make the car a WiFi hotspot which will broadcast to devices connected inside the car (or outside in range, as I connected to an unencrypted Audi A6 hotspot parked alongside me on the M5 traffic jam !) and again using a 3g/4g back haul to the internet via your network mobile operator.

There was talk of BMW becoming a MVNO (a bit like Tesco and Asda branded networks) and owners buyinng a BMW branded SIM which piggy backed a mobile operator network(I wont name which one :-) ) and owners paying their data bills direct to BMW, which was then passed on to the network operator.

There is/was also the option of BMW teathering via bluetooth to your mobile phone.

You could also pop a 3G USB Bluetooth enabled dongle in the cars USB slot too and then pair your devices to that.

Ive given the kids the same service in my car by connecting a wifi router with 3G back haul to the 12 volt output in my car. Only they can use this when im driving.

Its only ever gonna be as good as the coverage the car has

Edited by oldaudi on Thursday 6th February 20:01


""ConnectedDrive, available on most BMW models, offers a variety of features designed to improve the comfort, safety and entertainment value of your journey. Arguably the most exciting of these is BMW Internet, a feature that gives users unlimited access to the Web via a browser on the car's integrated display.

From a stationary vehicle, the driver and front passenger can surf the Internet via the car's iDrive user interface, twisting and pressing the joystick on the centre console to control an on-screen cursor.

Previously, Web browsing capability came courtesy of the car's built-in SIM card, but, as of this month, BMW is allowing its customers to get online in a couple of new ways. Firstly, drivers can tether a 3G mobile phone via Bluetooth, utilising their handset's data connection to access the Web on the car's integrated browser.

The company will also roll out a Wi-Fi hotspot function that allows users to connect a 3G broadband dongle via one of the car's USB ports. Again, this allows users to go online via the car's own browser, but also to access the Web on laptops and tablet PCs over a Wi-Fi hotspot created by the vehicle.

As if that wasn't enough, Google has also supplied ConnectedDrive with a variety of Google services that are accessible outside of the browser. When entering an address into the sat-nav, users have the option to view 360-degree images of their destination using Street View. The driver can also view images uploaded to Google's Panoramio website by the general public.

Finally, BMW has updated ConnectDrive with a variety of phone-based mobile-office features. The system will read aloud emails and texts received on BlackBerry smart phones and display calendar entries and contacts (complete with pictures) on the vehicle's integrated display.

Thanks to support for updated Bluetooth features in the Apple iOS 4 operating system, BMW users can also control almost every feature on an iPhone 4 via the car's central display or the remote buttons on the steering wheel.

ConnectedDrive is available on most BMWs, including new 1 Series, 3 Series, 5 Series, 6 Series, 7 Series, hybrid, M, X and Z4 models, and can be retrofitted to older BMW models.""

Edited by oldaudi on Thursday 6th February 20:05


Edited by oldaudi on Thursday 6th February 20:23

loudlashadjuster

6,422 posts

214 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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Toaster Pilot said:
Is in-car internet going to be the latest thing that gets banned for being too distracting? How is it any different to using a smartphone while driving?

Or, is it locked down so you can only use it when stationary?
In-car internet != browsing whilst driving.

Think, live Google Maps traffic updates, streaming Spotify/Soundcloud etc., custom news alerts (not just BBC/local radio via RDS) and a lot more.

Also, any passenger with a phone/tablet/etc. can use data services perfectly legally.

I'm interested in the costs too though. I suspect that the £95 is just for the SIM interface to be fitted or enabled (cheeky, but entirely possible) and you'd then need to pony up for a data plan for the car.

In a sensible world (ha!) this would mean chucking £10/mo at GiffGaff, but probably means paying BMW £25/mo for the privilege.

-Z-

8,317 posts

236 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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No monthly costs as far as I know. Maybe after 3 years?

USABRZ

70 posts

157 months

Thursday 6th February 2014
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This reads like a marketing pamphlet. Downplaying any issues and talking up small features in a disproportionate manner to their use. Plus the general tone of the piece; I honestly wonder how much is paid for content here.

FestivAli

Original Poster:

1,181 posts

268 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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oldaudi said:
A coherent and informative reply to my question
Cheers mate, I appreciate it

UpsideDown

50 posts

216 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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I have the internet option in my m135i and have been fairly underwhelmed by it so far. As I understand it there is a sim card hidden somewhere in the car & it uses a 3G connection to access the internet.

I have only used it a couple of times to see what is like and each time it was very slow to download pages and I couldn't see ant benefit over using my phone instead. I haven't tried using Google maps yet as I have Sat Nav as this may be the only benefit I can see for car based internet.

This option came with the car when I bought it, as I wouldn't have paid £95 for a gimmick. I don't pay any monthly charges and as far as I know never will.

LasseV

1,767 posts

163 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Ultimate un-driving machine with internet. Lol. And some of you PH fkers says that gt86 is expensive!

JDMDrifter

4,063 posts

195 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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LasseV said:
Ultimate un-driving machine with internet. Lol. And some of you PH fkers says that gt86 is expensive!
The basic price seems ok, but those options soon add up!

LasseV

1,767 posts

163 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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JDMDrifter said:
The basic price seems ok, but those options soon add up!
Well, i don't know... How much basic Cayman costs?

OilBurnerSurrey

153 posts

208 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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Really get the impression you think it sucks as a driving tool, Dan.... ?!

Quite fancy an F32 next (420i or 428i). E92 owner at the moment and going by how that drives I cant imagine the F32 will be much improved which kind of puts me off a little.

F30 a better option?

JDMDrifter

4,063 posts

195 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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LasseV said:
JDMDrifter said:
The basic price seems ok, but those options soon add up!
Well, i don't know... How much basic Cayman costs?
According to Porsche the boggo cayman is £ 39,694.00 incl. VAT

kmack

157 posts

163 months

Friday 7th February 2014
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I have a full spec BMW M135i with all these gadgets and to be honest rarely use any of it and find it all very distracting. There seems to be a competition between manufacturers to see who can put the most gadgets into cars.

Its all very clever but does take your eyes off the road...

Harji

2,224 posts

191 months

Monday 10th February 2014
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A car so dull, everyone is talking about the gadgets instead. I really can't understand the fawning over a 3 series that's been renamed a 4 series. It has the natural evolution, but just like everyone else, lighter, smaller engines, blah blah.

predding

457 posts

246 months

Tuesday 11th February 2014
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OilBurnerSurrey said:
Really get the impression you think it sucks as a driving tool, Dan.... ?!

Quite fancy an F32 next (420i or 428i). E92 owner at the moment and going by how that drives I cant imagine the F32 will be much improved which kind of puts me off a little.

F30 a better option?
Get a drive in an F30 or F31 330d - with the 8-speed auto. The only car you will ever need...