How much more to pay than a wbac valuation ?
How much more to pay than a wbac valuation ?
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bananaman1

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455 posts

226 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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Found a used car at a main dealer...window price 18.5k...thought I would see what wbac would value the car at......16k......now I fully understand that the dealer has to/wants to make money....but where would u start at making an offer ? focus st3

Monty Python

4,813 posts

226 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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The WBAC is a trade-in value, not a retail figure. Unless the Focus is overpriced compared to similar models at other dealers then you won't get much off (unless you have no trade-in).

Slidingpillar

761 posts

165 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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If the dealer bought the car for 16k, and actually sold it for 18.5k I'd be surprised. If it went for a round 18k, that is 2k of margin and probably nearer the truth.

Out of that, VAT is chargeable on the 2k, they have the cost of preparing the car, have to build in the fact they may have to repair some part. So I'd suggest, pretty reasonable.

The WBAC figure though, one hears of quite a few cases where WBAC come, and then proceed to value the car lower because of 'defects'.

p1tse

1,412 posts

221 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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The dealer is offering it 15% more than wbac trade in price, that's a good but to me

I was looking at a private car but he went to trade for ease
Trade has slapped on 50-60% ontop

bananaman1

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Monday 17th February 2014
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Well if u don`t ask..u don`t get.....going to offer 750 under asking :-)

timberman

1,479 posts

244 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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Is the car in question nearly new ?
I only ask because you can get a brand new factory order for less than £20,000

bananaman1

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Monday 17th February 2014
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Yeah.nearly new.....nice spec too :-)

996TT02

3,342 posts

169 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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bananaman1 said:
Well if u don`t ask..u don`t get.....going to offer 750 under asking :-)
Wow - that's brave... not

Where I spend a lot of my time if anyone offered only £750 below asking he'd be "catch of the day" laugh

And probably would not be allowed that discount either, dealer would squeeze another £250 out of him.

Typical buyer here would probably start off with 15k and only conclude if his subsequent best offer of 16.5 / 17k absolute tops were accepted.

Different culture and all that I suppose.



Leptons

5,493 posts

205 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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What's WBAC valuation got to do with price of fish?

If you walk in and say "WBAC value it at x amount so I can only offer you y amount" he will laugh his tits off.

bananaman1

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Monday 17th February 2014
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Just for the record. ..I have no intention of walking in anywhere and quoting a wbac valuation ;-)

timberman

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244 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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just had a quick look on autotrader + ph classified and all the st3's listed at that price seem to be 2012 plates with not much above what comes as standard ,
so if the car in question is newer i.e. under a year old with more kit then £18500 would seem to be pretty reasonable, if not I personally would be looking at upping the budget a little and going for a new one

bananaman1

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Monday 17th February 2014
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I hear what your saying timberman...but 18k is over our budget as it is :-(

markmullen

15,877 posts

263 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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bananaman1 said:
I hear what your saying timberman...but 18k is over our budget as it is :-(
If £18k is over your budget why are you looking at cars at £18.5k?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

276 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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bananaman1 said:
18k is over our budget as it is :-(
Then (with all respect) why are you looking at cars priced at £18.5k?

Tuvra

7,926 posts

254 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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Ford have guaranteed to buy ours back for a fraction under £11k after 2 years eek

I am hoping it's worth more like £15-16k come March 2015.

bananaman1

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226 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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B17NNS said:
Then (with all respect) why are you looking at cars priced at £18.5k?
Sorry should of added...our original budget.....have decided that the wife can cut down on her shoe budget to compensate :-)

timberman

1,479 posts

244 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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okay
then i would try and use the fact that new cars can be had for not much more than the asking price, (probably due to the fact that the face lift model is due out later this year), and try and negotiate down some.

I would probably make an offer around £17,000 and see what they say.

If they won't budge then walk away, but let them know your interested and leave your contact details incase they have a change of heart and want to make you a better offer.

bananaman1

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Monday 17th February 2014
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The focus that can be had for under 20k....where would that be then ?....just done abit of googling ..the cheapest I can find is over 25k....before adding extras.

Butter Face

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189 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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996TT02 said:
Typical buyer here would probably start off with 15k and only conclude if his subsequent best offer of 16.5 / 17k absolute tops were accepted.

Different culture and all that I suppose.
Where is 'here'?

As had been said, there's no way a dealer is working with that kind of margin, going in expecting to offer 15 and buy at 16.5? You may as well just stay at home as it will save yours and the dealers time.

As it goes, an offer of £17750 isn't that shocking, I doubt that will get accepted and you may get an agreement at £18k if you are ready to commit, don't make an offer then go 'ooohh ahhh ummmm, I need to think about it' because you'll look like a proper pillock.


Oh, and don't even mention WBAC, the last person that tried that at my place got a 'well go and buy a car from them' from my manager rofl

bananaman1

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Monday 17th February 2014
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I did wonder where "here" was too.laugh