RE: Dodge Viper GTS: Spotted
RE: Dodge Viper GTS: Spotted
Thursday 20th February 2014

Dodge Viper GTS: Spotted

Because why wouldn't you want an 8.0-litre V10?



More often than not, when a model is replaced it fulfils broadly the same remit as its predecessor. A new Focus will still rival a Golf, the smallest Ferrari will always have a Lamborghini equivalent and 3 Series v C-Class will surely run and run.

Scared yet?
Scared yet?
But the Dodge Viper seems a little different, not least because it isn't a Viper anymore. Yes the V10 remains and it still looks like nothing else, but the relentless focus on lap times (see last year's Time Attack) and trick dynamics seems at odds with the modern Cobra vibe of the original. Looking fantastic going very fast in a straight line may not be a sophisticated trick, but it's one the Viper did very well. With the added seriousness of the later models, arguably some of its muscle car appeal has been lost. If it's legitimate, this Viper can wear its 'ring sticker with pride. It must have been terrifying.

It's more than 20 years since the original Viper appeared, and 15 since the arrival of the GTS. That the outlandish styling has lost none of its impact is testament to how right it was from the off. The wheels here lack something compared to those iconic three-spoke rims on the roadster but the gigantic bonnet and wildly exaggerated arches for the rear tyres give it an undeniable presence. And if red was the colour for the roadster, Blue with white stripes is surely the only combo for the GTS.

This is A Big Engine
This is A Big Engine
That monster bonnet of course cloaks a beast of an engine. An 8.0-litre V10 was a ludicrous powerplant in the 90s; in a world where downsizing is nearly mandatory, it looks all the more absurd. And wonderful.

Moreover, it will be a totally unique engine to use, fundamentally different in character to the V10s seen more recently in the Lexus LFA, BMW M6 and Lamborghini Gallardo. Because of those infamous origins, it lugs rather than revs; the redline is at 6,000rpm and the torque peak of 490lb ft registered at 3,700rpm. That seems quite high actually, but there's unlikely to be a paucity of torque anywhere. It's an 8.0-litre engine!

As an American import, the GTS is of course LHD. But think of it this way: would it be that much easier in RHD? It's already going to be a challenge anyway, and visibility doesn't look great from either side really. Gearchange awkward? Leave it in fourth.

Dealer in RHD photo mode...
Dealer in RHD photo mode...
This car actually has an interesting back story, being a demonstrator (but most definitely 'not a press car') for Chrysler UK, then bought by a Chrysler dealer before ending up with its previous owner since 2002. It has gained a Mopar exhaust along the way (good news surely) as well as a 'Full Audio Upgrade' (a little less desirable perhaps).

In any of its generations, the Viper or SRT-10 won't be for everyone. It's extroverted, brutish and brazen in the finest American tradition. Rare, too. And for an alternative slice of V8 Americana, Corvettes are looking cheap too...



DODGE VIPER GTS
Engine:
7,990cc V10
Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 450hp@5,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 490@3,700rpm
MPG: 15.7 (apparently)
CO2: Err...
Year registered: 1998
Recorded miles: 39,000
Price new: NA
Yours for: £34,995

See the original ad here

 

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HeMightBeBanned

Original Poster:

630 posts

207 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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I recall reading a road test between the original Viper roadster and a 5 Litre TVR Griffith. It must have been around 1994. The TVR bettered the Viper in just about every respect. So I look upon the GTS with perhaps a jaundiced perspective. To maintain the TVR comparison, surely a Cerbera would be a better buy?

MogulBoy

3,066 posts

252 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Drove a few laps of Snetterton in one of these back in 99/00 on an experience day back to back with a 993, F355 and Esprit V8. Good fun but the latter two were the highlights for me. ISTR that the event organisers said that the Viper was expensive to run - given that it was a heavy beast, it would happily consume a set of disks in one day at Snetterton given the abuse it was subject to e.g. braking from those [two] long straights..

rtz62

3,790 posts

184 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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I've owned a 5.0 TVR, but not a Viper, but I'd hazard a guess that the Viper is more of an experience every time you get in....

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

247 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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They still have such great road presence, remove the stripes (yes i know they are GTS but still....) and you have a great looking super car/sports car. Love it! Would take it over a TVR, 993 Turbo, 355 every day of the week. Come on 8.0 Litres haha, great pub banter smile

synXero

75 posts

151 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Awesome mental car (upgrade to the C5?)

These things look properly terrible inside, though. They are Elise-small. Also there's a 700hp one for sale in my home town... In matt black!

Fartgalen

6,928 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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They're not too bad around the corners. In fact they're surprisingly capable. I've had some great fun on track days with mine. Surprisingly nimble. Fully independent & adjustable suspension all round, and then there's a huge amount of grip to be had from the 335 section rear tyres.
I've had more grins per gallon out of my GTS than any other car I've owned or driven. And of course that engine just pulls like a train in any gear. Vertical walls in 6th gear wink


Shaoxter

4,604 posts

153 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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56bhp/litre? Hmm I'm struggling to think of a car that's worse...

Gixer

4,463 posts

277 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Know the car and know the owner. Like the comments ref the ring. In reality it would take a brave man to stay with him in that Viper in anything on the ring.

Gixer

4,463 posts

277 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Shaoxter said:
56bhp/litre? Hmm I'm struggling to think of a car that's worse...
Oh dear not this ste again. Some people really don't get it. It obviously works looking at the ACR ring time.

ViperDave

5,775 posts

282 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Shaoxter said:
56bhp/litre? Hmm I'm struggling to think of a car that's worse...
Find one that has over 400 lbft of Tq at 2000rpm and you may have a valid point

lewisf182

2,242 posts

217 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Shaoxter said:
56bhp/litre? Hmm I'm struggling to think of a car that's worse...
Absolutely tons.

My 2004 1.4 Ibiza with 65bhp for starters.

AyBee

11,324 posts

231 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Shaoxter said:
56bhp/litre?
hehe Didn't that Fiesta on Top Gear last sunday have 120bhp/litre? Just a shame it only had 1 litre rather than 8 tongue out

Boydie88

3,283 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Lovely cloud9

Dream car of my childhood, I will have one, one day.



Shaoxter said:
56bhp/litre? Hmm I'm struggling to think of a car that's worse...
You knob.

GranCab

2,914 posts

175 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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F355 vs. Viper GTS - no contest ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH-qV8XEYuo

They really don't like braking into fast corners do they ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4yWX0L7Lus

Edited by GranCab on Thursday 20th February 15:33

k-ink

9,070 posts

208 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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I'd love one for a summer. Although I suspect replacing brakes, tyres and fuel may take the edge off. Still, 8 litres and a lairy 'zorst would keep those thoughts at bay!

Cheburator mk2

3,227 posts

228 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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Shaoxter said:
56bhp/litre? Hmm I'm struggling to think of a car that's worse...
Get back in your box...





Baryonyx

18,281 posts

188 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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I love these cars. My favourite sports car, perhaps. Like a cooler, better made TVR. The only TVR that would really hold a candle to this for me would be a 5 litre Griffith.

Shewie

560 posts

219 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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MogulBoy said:
Drove a few laps of Snetterton in one of these back in 99/00 on an experience day back to back with a 993, F355 and Esprit V8. Good fun but the latter two were the highlights for me. ISTR that the event organisers said that the Viper was expensive to run - given that it was a heavy beast, it would happily consume a set of disks in one day at Snetterton given the abuse it was subject to e.g. braking from those [two] long straights..
I to did this experience in 2001 and found the 993 & 355 to be my highlights. That said the Viper was comedically fast in a straight line and seeing one in the mirrors when in the other cars looked terrifying as it was so aggressive.

The gearbox was absolutely awful and the most agricultural thing this side of a tractor, to be honest though, you didn't really need to change gear due to the abundance of torque in any gear! Crazy thing...

Speed_Demon

2,662 posts

217 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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k-ink said:
I'd love one for a summer. Although I suspect replacing brakes, tyres and fuel may take the edge off. Still, 8 litres and a lairy 'zorst would keep those thoughts at bay!
But can you imagine the rumble?!

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

214 months

Thursday 20th February 2014
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I think those folks slating these are sort of missing the point. I wouldn't buy one of these if I wanted to care about whether it delivered the most horse power per litre, or how well it handled - I'd just enjoy the fantastic, outlandish looks, and enjoy that brutal V10 engine bellowing away and nothing more. The Viper is every bit as famous as its contemporaries and it thoroughly deserves it's share of the limelight IMHO.