RE: Shed of the Week: Saab 9000
RE: Shed of the Week: Saab 9000
Friday 21st February 2014

Shed of the Week: Saab 9000

Shed grabs a 9000 as his other targets disappear; victory from the jaws of defeat?



The power of the PH Classified ad was never more clearly demonstrated than this week, when Shed had not one but two likely targets whipped out from under him at the last minute by sharp-eyed buyers. As we speak, the secure Shed telecoms line is being swept for bugs.

You just know this will be comfy
You just know this will be comfy
But let us rejoice because, with the possible exception of Shed's marriage, there's a silver lining in every cloud. In this case quite literally in the shape of this rather splendid old Saab 9000 that crept shyly out from behind the arras.

The last 9000 to appear here was a 190,000-mile 9000 Aero, written up by Riggers in April 2012, strongly priced at the full Shedly grand, and bought by the end of the thread by a PHer, hoorah! Two years later, we have this very clean looking 9000 with a documented 94,000 miles and a full service history for £950. Just goes to show. Not sure what though.

Admittedly, this one isn't an Aero, the '93-on bolide which in manual form pushed out 225hp from its high-boost Mitsubishi-turboed 2.3 engine (the autos were turbocharged by Garrett and restricted to 200hp). Today's Shed, built five years into GM's uninspiring stewardship of the company, is a five-door liftback with the smaller 2-litre low-pressure turbo motor.

Strong internals if 150hp isn't enough...
Strong internals if 150hp isn't enough...
By no means a road shredder with just 150hp (full-pressure cars had 175hp), the titchiest 9000 compensated for it with a sofa-full of soft, useable, lag-free torque and of course no torque steer issues. You could easily bring those into your life if you wanted by way of remapping, a tuning technique to which these cars respond very well. Internals are strong and will take plenty of tweaking.

It's an auto too, which gets you past the rubbery Saab manual even if it does expose you to the vagaries of Swedish slushboxery. If the auto were to go bang on this one, all would not be lost: Shed seems to recall that bolting in a manual box from a 2.0-litre Omega when the original auto exploded on his own much-loved 9000 smoker was a pretty straightforward job.

The 9000's commodious Type 4 body was a joint project between Saab, Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo, an unholy-sounding alliance from the rust point of view. Thankfully however there are no common panels and Saab managed to inject some quality (or perhaps Nikwax) into its 9000.

Nothing says 1990s like a red reflector strip
Nothing says 1990s like a red reflector strip
Considering that it slotted neatly between the Dagenham Dustbins and the posher German tackle of the age, it's illuminating to note the condition of this car, twenty years down the line. Whatever Saab was using for body parts back then, it was good stuff. The shipyard clunk of the central locking system confirms you're in a proper car.

Everyone knows about the flakiness of the Saab Information Displays, so we won't dwell on them. Air con fails, but that's hardly unique to Saab. Windscreen surrounds rot under the rubber. Shed thinks the sump pan might be aluminium, so mind how you go over sleeping policemen. You'll want to have a look in there too to check for the dreaded Saab oil starvation issue caused by blocked sump pickups, though with the full service history in place the expectation is that this will have been sorted.

Apart from that, as a practical design the 9000 stacks up well. The handling and braking won't raise the hairs on the back of your neck but it has FWD for all-year-round bargery, a gargantuan boot, and seats that are among the world's comfiest. There's something hugely cool about the view of a Saab instrument deck through that meaty steering wheel, curious red wood notwithstanding. Steady cruising will return mid-30s mpg figures, and you'll be feeling the call of the Swedish fjords every time you get in it. Or is that the Norwegian fjords? Whatever, by 1997 the somewhat less Scandinavian 9-5 had replaced the 9000, and we will not see its like again.

Not first choice, but a fine Shed nonetheless
Not first choice, but a fine Shed nonetheless
Shed was in a nice country pub in Somerset the other day, the Talbot in Mells if you're interested, treating Mrs Shed to a Valentine's Day luncheon. As soon as the noise of her chewing through half a pig's head had died down to a tolerable level, Shed had a conversation with the waiter, who turned out to be a kindred soul. He was (and as far as we know still is) the owner of two lovely classic Saabs, a white flatnose 900 and a 9000 very much like this one, neither of which he had any intention of selling. 'They're keepers,' he shouted over the ghastly slurping noise from the other side of Shed's table (dessert having just arrived). Old Saabs get you like that.

Here's the ad.

PART EXCHANGE TO CLEAR. SAAB 9000 CSE ECOPOWER 2.0 TURBO 5 DOOR AUTOMATIC. 3 OWNERS FROM NEW, 94000 MILES, FULL SERVICE HISTORY (18 STAMPS). DRIVES WELL.
Only three owners from new, lady owner for past eleven years. Full service history (18 service stamps!) This car has been known to us for ten years and is in generally very good condition throughout and drives well. MOT till September 2014 and short road tax included. Automatic transmission
Power steering
Climate control
Radio Cassette
Alloy wheels
Anti-lock brakes
Front & rear electric windows
Central locking
Cruise control
Heated electric door mirrors
Heated seats
Drivers seat height adjustment
Drivers seat lumbar adjustment
Split folding rear seat
Rear centre armrest
Rear head restraints
Front fog lights
Headlamp wash
Metallic paint
Multifunction computer
Outside temperature display
We check our cars with HPI. CARS CAN BE VIEWED AT OUR OFFICE IN LONDON SW14, OR BY APPOINTMENT IN OXFORDSHIRE OR HERTFORDSHIRE.

 


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tr7v8

Original Poster:

7,621 posts

257 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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An Omega box as a replacement, isn't the Omega RWD? Good shed shame it isn't the higher BHP one.

mrpenks

390 posts

184 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Dull as dishwater, not even at £500 would I entertain this

PATTERNPART

693 posts

230 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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The bit about the pig's head made me chuckle.

rickbrown74

250 posts

271 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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PATTERNPART said:
The bit about the pig's head made me chuckle.
Exactely what I was about to type. Had to re-read the article to make sure I wasnt picking something up wrong - threw me completely! Good humour throughout (and tempting car at a grand for a comfy barge with reasonable mileage.)

snotrag

15,634 posts

240 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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shed said:
Shed seems to recall that bolting in a manual box from a 2.0-litre Omega when the original auto exploded on his own much-loved 9000 smoker was a pretty straightforward job.
Manual Gearbox from RWD Longitudinal engined car into Transversely engined FWD car? Surely not?

Come on lads, someone must read these as a sanity check before they get posted up?

ianwayne

8,532 posts

297 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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I had one of these for 8 months in 2011. P reg 2.0t CSE (but a manual) in metallic blue. Leather interior, with 120k on the clock. Needed engine mount bushes and a crankshaft seal to resolve a large oil leak. I got it off fleabay for £600 that included some tax. The display on the trip computer was perfect and the aircon worked. There are many dealers doing cheap parts for these, and sites offering tips such as saab9000.com

I even considered modifying it which is done by changing the APC to give you a lot more power. It had almost no rust at all (many DO have it hidden underneath the clip-on wheelarch trims). Badges fade badly.

Lovely to drive and yes, almost no lag at all. Couldn't get 'classic' insurance on it at the time anywhere so had to let it go for only £550, with almost 12 months MoT. Miss it actually, lovely car to waft friends to the airport in. The lower rear wing panel below the bumper got dented by somebody and it's impossible to get to the rear of it to knock out a dent and repair properly.

This may not be the Aero but if it has no oil leaks, I'd say it's worth a look. Will probably have to sell for a fair bit below asking.



Edited by ianwayne on Friday 21st February 08:36

Escort Si-130

3,449 posts

209 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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+1, not for me this D>A>D mobile

mrpenks said:
Dull as dishwater, not even at £500 would I entertain this

grumpy52

6,062 posts

195 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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A fully working auto Saab 9000 with leather is a nice place to waft about in, the boot is like the Albert Hall , nobody will ever complain at being cramped in one of these.
The ladies seem to like them as well .

Mr E

23,056 posts

288 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Would suggest this is similar, realistically in thread budget and has rather more "go".

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/s...

164Cloverleaf

45 posts

185 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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"The 9000's commodious Type 4 body was a joint project between Saab, Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo, an unholy-sounding alliance from the rust point of view. Thankfully however there are no common panels and Saab managed to inject some quality (or perhaps Nikwax) into its 9000."

- Thought the doors were shared with the Croma & Thema? And for maximum pedantry points, the 164 has a Type 4 floorpan but shares nothing body-work wise with the other three, having initially been designed separately. And anyway, 164s' bodies don't rust. Subframes, yes, a bit, but the panelwork of even the tattiest examples look far cleaner than any 90's Merc...

r11co

6,244 posts

259 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Desperate!

From what I can gather, shed is becoming formulaic, following a pre-determined cycle that kind of goes 'BMW, Merc, Jag, SAAB, something off-the-wall, rinse and repeat'. Seems we hit 'SAAB' and there was nothing decent or interesting in the ads so Shed had to settle for what he could find and dress the piece up with some waffle.

I think shed has just jumped the shark.

Cotic

469 posts

181 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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What year is it? From my rubbish monitor I can't work out if it's MB 02 (2002) or M 802 (1995)...

Not that I guess it matters much.

Usget

5,426 posts

240 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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When 9-5 Aeros are available for so little, the only way I'd give £950 for this would be if it had £750 in loose change in the back seat.

Here's an Aero I found with very little effort (frequenters of the Bargain Basement thread will know that these are actually available for £2.50 and a Yorkie bar if you look hard enough).



http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...


For fewer miles and better condition, not a full-fat Aero but an Arc version.



http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Or what about a 3.0V6 Griffin? Not as well-loved as the Aero but must be a very nice drive. FSH with a year's MOT.



http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Edited by Usget on Friday 21st February 09:38

dukebox9reg

1,720 posts

177 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Is this just the Astra GSI engine with a smaller turbo fitted? If so most the later mk1 VXR Astra stuff will bolt to it giving it a serious turn of speed.

Zircon

305 posts

210 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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ANOTHER Saab?

Nothing wrong with them but some of the SOTW articles have been a little like Groundhog day of late!

BrabusMog

21,777 posts

215 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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I thought it was a very entertaining read, shame the car is so dull!

CedricN

854 posts

174 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Saab 9000 turbos, I dont know how its over there but this is/was very popular ammong the tuning kids.. A Quick look says even the 2.0 150gp gets 220Hp just by remap. They gear box reputation isnt exactly flawless though smile And 9-5 are so cheap nowdays, although they have the oil sludge problem which these didnt have.


Zammy

706 posts

192 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Great write up....very funny! Always liked the 9000's since the local traffic cops had some years ago.

rscott

17,484 posts

220 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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dukebox9reg said:
Is this just the Astra GSI engine with a smaller turbo fitted? If so most the later mk1 VXR Astra stuff will bolt to it giving it a serious turn of speed.
Er, no . It's a completely different engine developed by Saab and pre-dates GM's involvement. It's certainly very tweakable - the 2.0 can be tweaked to over 300bhp and the 2.3 to 450+ if you're prepared to spend big money with Maptun.
Only the post 2002 9-3s and the NG9-5 had GM petrol engines.

99t

1,055 posts

238 months

Friday 21st February 2014
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Can get far more 9000 "shed" for much less money..



http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


Oh, and the Omega 'box comment above is ridiculous.