RE: The road to Geneva
Wednesday 5th March 2014

The road to Geneva

Most people fly squeasyjet to the Geneva show; we went via V8 instead, courtesy of Vauxhall



When it comes to kicking off a couple of days' great driving, a sunny Sunday morning nipping around the Monaco Grand Prix circuit isn't bad. Sadly, the roads were open to the principality's usual sedate traffic, so heading up the hill and along the main coast road past Nice and then north towards Grasse was no hardship.

Flying from Luton to Geneva, PH style
Flying from Luton to Geneva, PH style
For anyone familiar with this neck of the French woods, you can probably guess where we were headed: the N85, better known as the Route Napoleon. It's one of the finest stretches of tarmac ever laid, and it certainly does stretch as it goes all the way from Grasse to Grenoble.

Better still, we weren't using just one car for this jaunt, we had a selection of Vauxhall's best current cars plus some historic ones for good measure. It's all part of a road trip from Monaco to the Geneva motor show and makes for a much more pleasurable journey than a sweaty early morning flight direct to the best European ogle at new cars.

VXR'd enough?
Given Monaco's rigidly enforced speed limits and the dull but quick motorway start, our first car of the day in the shape of a new Insignia VXR SuperSport estate was ideally suited to the mixed conditions. Modest enough to avoid the attentions of the Monegasque police, it was swift and smooth on the peage and showed strong overtaking pace once Grasse was in the rear view mirror.

Updated Insignia VXR was a good warm-up
Updated Insignia VXR was a good warm-up
Standard four-wheel drive helped as the Insignia dealt with some lingering snow and ice that lay in the mountain shadows. Vauxhall has improved the ESP to help quell understeer in this car and revised the rear suspension, so the Insignia feels very neutral when pressing hard. Its single turbo 2.8-litre V6 engine provides 325hp, which was to be lowest power output of the day's driving selection, and the wagon provides 0-62mph in 6.1 seconds.

As a way to bed into a road trip, the Insignia SuperSport Tourer is comfortable and capable but a bit, well, sanitised for this sort of road. It never felt anything other than stable and assured, yet on roads where twists and hairpins are 10 a penny, something a little more invigorating was needed.

Change of mood
As the church perched on top of the hill at Castellane came into view, the Insignia had done its job and it was time for a coffee and croissant. Tres chic, or as chic as motoring hacks get, but the sun was warm and thankfully the local pharmacy was open due to the French obsession with their minor ailments so I could grab some paracetamol for an achy back.

Brutish Monaro was a physical workout
Brutish Monaro was a physical workout
All thoughts of back pain were soon forgotten as we slid into the fatly padded leather chairs of a Vauxhall Monaro VXR500. One of only a handful built, the VXR500 takes its name from the amount of torque it chucks out (500lb ft in Imperial measure), while 504hp is on hand from the supercharged 6.0-litre V8.

A 185mph top speed was never going to be worried on the Route Napoleon, but 0-62mph in 4.8 seconds, rear-wheel drive and a simple on-off button for the traction control guaranteed the VXR500 was going to be entertaining.

Heavy load
Edging out of Castellane, first impressions of the Monaro were its clutch is heavy and the gearchange is even more weighty. This isn't the sort of weight that adds feel, just obstruction, so the next few miles were spent thinking more about how to drive the car smoothly than driving the road.

Lotus Carlton rather more appealing
Lotus Carlton rather more appealing
With some sort of mutual agreement reached between driver and transmission, the supercharged power of the VXR500 was there to be deployed in an instant. Every low speed corner became an excuse to overwhelm the rear tyres and even in third gear the VXR would wag its tail with an accompanying supercharger shriek.

Sad as it is to say about a 504hp supercharged coupe, I was glad to see the back of it when we pulled into Digne for a spot of lunch at L'Auberge. With plenty of good food on the table, our view out from the rear-most dining room also gave us a perfect view of the assorted Vauxhalls still waiting to be driven by ourselves and others on this trip.

Best of all, we could see the Lotus Carlton that was ours for the next stage towards Laiterie Col Bayard. Broody dark green paint, spoilers and flared arches might be all very 1980s, but there's no arguing with a twin-turbo 3.6-litre straight six motor turning out 382hp to give 0-62mph in 5.4 seconds and a 176mph top speed.

Al really didn't want to give this one back
Al really didn't want to give this one back
Bad boy
The Lotus Carlton upset large sections of the press when launched because of its top speed in a family car. As a result, I've coveted it ever since and now I was driving number 820. Far from being disappointing after the crazy power of the Monaro, the Carlton felt taut, together and far more wieldy on the narrow roads leading north out of Digne.

We decided to deviate from the Route Napoleon to take in the D900 up and over the hills at Monclar and then drop down the eastern edge of Lac de Serre-Poncon. The roads are sensational here, but the views are the real breathtakers as the road heads down to Savine-le-Lac and the bridge that took us west towards our afternoon halt.

Just about the only downside of the Carlton, which has a huge capacity for overtaking was the aftermarket sat-nav was useless. Then again, using a road map felt entirely appropriate in this car and the keys had to be plasma cut from my grip. A hero met and the reality was even better than the anticipation. More on this car in due course...

VXR8 helped ease the pain of loss though
VXR8 helped ease the pain of loss though
New school
Out last stage towards Grenoble and our overnight hotel was completed in the brand new Vauxhall VXR8 GTS. In essence, this car feels like the spiritual successor to the Lotus Carlton far more than it has in common with the previous VXR8 or Monaro. Easy to drive slowly yet formidably fast, it covers ground quickly and assuredly. You can be a hooligan with the power, but it's a car that rewards a neater style and is easily the measure of a BMW M5 for a lot less money and with a slick six-speed manual gearbox as standard.

Traffic reined in play on the last section of the N85 towards Grenoble, yet the VXR8 mooched along with plush suspension and impressive refinement. This car could easily cope with a much longer stint on the Route Napoleon or any other journey thanks to the broad range of its talents.

The final run to Geneva was in pouring rain on equally dull roads, but from flawed to fabulous the drive up the N85 was best way to arrive in Geneva.





   
   
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FestivAli

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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'Straya

NotNormal

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243 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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PH Article said:
Broody dark green paint, spoilers and flared arches might be all very 1980s, but there's no arguing with a twin-turbo 3.6-litre straight six motor turning out 382hp to give 0-62mph in 5.4 seconds and a 176mph top speed
Pedant hat on teacher
I hope when you do a further piece on the Carlton you actually do your homework and get the facts and figures correct. For a car that's been around 24 years (yes that's 90's not 80's for a start), it's not hard to find the correct details when you need them...


Ferosferio

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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NotNormal said:
PH Article said:
Broody dark green paint, spoilers and flared arches might be all very 1980s, but there's no arguing with a twin-turbo 3.6-litre straight six motor turning out 382hp to give 0-62mph in 5.4 seconds and a 176mph top speed
Pedant hat on teacher
I hope when you do a further piece on the Carlton you actually do your homework and get the facts and figures correct. For a car that's been around 24 years (yes that's 90's not 80's for a start), it's not hard to find the correct details when you need them...
That particular generation of the Carlton was designed in the 80s - The Lotus variant must have been too as production started in 1990 - and the performance stats are, as far as I'm aware, pretty much spot on; give or take 1 mph for the top speed and 0.1/0.2 secs with the acceleration times but we all know those can vary slightly depending on the source being quoted.

Genuine question - what's incorrect in the piece you quoted?

NotNormal

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Ferosferio said:
That particular generation of the Carlton was designed in the 80s - The Lotus variant must have been too as production started in 1990 - and the performance stats are, as far as I'm aware, pretty much spot on; give or take 1 mph for the top speed and 0.1/0.2 secs with the acceleration times but we all know those can vary slightly depending on the source being quoted.

Genuine question - what's incorrect in the piece you quoted?
Yes the normal Carlton was sold in the 1980's with flat rear arches. Lotus Carlton was sold from 1990 to 1994.

Vauxhall quoted power at 377bhp in all launch media (the conversion to PS is 382 so if that's what is meant then I guess it's technically correct)

Vauxhall only ever quoted 0-60 at 5.1 secs (0-62 is only a new measure so there would be no period stats for that afaik)

What I have put above are the quoted stats from Vauxhall, as you say the car has been recorded as going faster by magazines/test engineers back in the day so there are different figures.

strummerville

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Well, I enjoyed the article. It must have been a great day, guest of Vauxhall, showing off their current and heritage performance cars and tasty French cuisine thrown in too.

Best to ignore the negative ramblings from Monsieur Anorak's rantings in the first couple of posts..!

s m

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Was this trip done this year?

NotNormal

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strummerville said:
Well, I enjoyed the article. It must have been a great day, guest of Vauxhall, showing off their current and heritage performance cars and tasty French cuisine thrown in too.

Best to ignore the negative ramblings from Monsieur Anorak's rantings in the first couple of posts..!
I'd hardly call it ranting !!

TonyHetherington

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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NotNormal said:
PH Article said:
Broody dark green paint, spoilers and flared arches might be all very 1980s, but there's no arguing with a twin-turbo 3.6-litre straight six motor turning out 382hp to give 0-62mph in 5.4 seconds and a 176mph top speed
Pedant hat on teacher
I hope when you do a further piece on the Carlton you actually do your homework and get the facts and figures correct. For a car that's been around 24 years (yes that's 90's not 80's for a start), it's not hard to find the correct details when you need them...
Pedant hat on - he said "spoilers and arches might be all very 1980s". He did not say "the car is from the 1980s". In the same way I may accuse your haircut of being "1980s". It doesn't mean it was done in 1989.

LuS1fer

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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The VXR8 appeared in a rather garish garb in the last year or so and looked terrible. i must say this version looks way better and rather appealing.

SturdyHSV

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196 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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First time the new GTS has looked good to my eyes, that colour / wheel combination has done wonders for it thumbup

Sorry to hear the Monaro was a bit much for you old bean tongue outhehe

converted lurker

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155 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Less of the SqueezyJet or I'll inflict a hard landing on you next time you pay me to take you somewhere.

Dan Trent

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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NotNormal said:
Vauxhall quoted power at 377bhp in all launch media (the conversion to PS is 382 so if that's what is meant then I guess it's technically correct)

Vauxhall only ever quoted 0-60 at 5.1 secs (0-62 is only a new measure so there would be no period stats for that afaik)

What I have put above are the quoted stats from Vauxhall, as you say the car has been recorded as going faster by magazines/test engineers back in the day so there are different figures.
I'll check with Al on the source of his stats but he was out on a Vauxhall heritage drive so I'm assuming his figures came straight from source. We do as a rule quote ps FWIW.

And, yes, this trip took place over the weekend. Couple of more stories to follow too, including a standalone on the Carlton. Merited I think we can all agree!

Cheers,

Dan

AngryPartsBloke

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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NotNormal said:
Pedant hat on teacher
I hope when you do a further piece on the Carlton you actually do your homework and get the facts and figures correct. For a car that's been around 24 years (yes that's 90's not 80's for a start), it's not hard to find the correct details when you need them...
I bet you're fun at parties

strummerville

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156 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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NotNormal said:
strummerville said:
Well, I enjoyed the article. It must have been a great day, guest of Vauxhall, showing off their current and heritage performance cars and tasty French cuisine thrown in too.

Best to ignore the negative ramblings from Monsieur Anorak's rantings in the first couple of posts..!
I'd hardly call it ranting !!
Not necessary though, is it? Hardly a great contribution.

I always look at these forum exchanges as if you were having a pint at your local car club - imagine somebody had taken the time to prepare a presentation with footage of a road trip (as per the article). He finishes and turns to sit down. Would you stand up and regale him with needless criticism that his Lotus Carlton facts were (in your mind) incorrect? Or would you have the basic social skills to think that such a retort would not add anything?



sorrel

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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TonyHetherington said:
Pedant hat on - he said "spoilers and arches might be all very 1980s". He did not say "the car is from the 1980s". In the same way I may accuse your haircut of being "1980s". It doesn't mean it was done in 1989.
Well said - exactly what I was about to write! biggrin

Some journalists describe the new Toyota Auris dashboard as being very 90s in it's style. Doesn't mean Toyota actually designed and built it in the 90s does it! LOL!

NotNormal

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Ok, point taken i'll shut up and bugger off getmecoat

Should have instead done what normally happens on PH and say they all must be crap because of the badge and moan about number of exhausts hehe

anonymous-user

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Great to see the gassers backing up the opel story author clap Cool cars, amazed at ability to take notes whilst being thrashed about on the windy roads.
Do wonder how long the delicious French food stay with you , or was it expelled at high speeds a little early? paperbag

007 VXR

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SturdyHSV said:
Sorry to hear the Monaro was a bit much for you old bean tongue outhehe
biglaugh He needs to try a well modded Monaro wink

Edited by 007 VXR on Wednesday 5th March 13:55

alisdairsuttie

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Performance stats are all from Vauxhall's own press material, so as accurate as they can be.

Appreciate the Lotus Carlton didn't launch till 1990, but it was designed in the 1980s.

As for Monaro VXR, it wasn't the power that was the problem, it was the heft of the gearchange and clutch, plus suspension that was perhaps past its prime. Still a hoot to drive and the sound from the supercharger is pure drag car.

Edited by alisdairsuttie on Wednesday 5th March 16:13

s m

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Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Fair play to Vauxhall for laying on their heritage Fleet super saloons on some great roads. They seem to do this most years from what I can see. There's some good videos from past years on the Autocar and AutoExpress video feeds - everyone seems to enjoy the Lotus Carlton smile