RE: Saab 9000 Aero: Catch it while you can
RE: Saab 9000 Aero: Catch it while you can
Thursday 13th March 2014

Saab 9000 Aero: Catch it while you can

Fast FWD execs are deeply out of fashion, and few epitomise the breed better than a Saab 9000 Aero



Getting a dressing down from mild-mannered super-driver Mark Hales doesn't happen often, but when it does it tends to linger. We were on the wind-down, following a day's driver tuition at Anglesey, and over wine and cheese, I'd just been explaining what it was about my front-wheel drive Abbott-tuned Saab 9000 Aero that made it so exciting. To say that he was unimpressed was a huge understatement.

Three-spoke wheels still looking great
Three-spoke wheels still looking great
Okay, so it was more of a playful 'are you mad', and I had just told him I'd decided on my Aero over an E34-generation BMW M5, but you get the picture. Not all car purchases are logical, and neither should they be. Point is, the things I loved about my 9000 Aero were what good drivers will tell you are wrong about fast front-drivers. The torque steer, wheelspin and corrupted steering are issues, and yet, they're what made this car feel most alive when the huge Mitsubishi TD04HL was boosting.

This is definitely a 'catch it while you can' kind of car, right now, and perhaps it's even moving on to the endangered species list. At the last count, there were 263 examples, taxed and on the road, in the UK, and numbers are still dropping, as owners of shabbier examples are cashing them in, and realising their worth as a rolling parts supply.

And that's a shame because as performance hatches go, this large Swede still has rather a lot going in its favour. It weighs 1,460kg, and comes with 229hp as standard, which might not sound a great deal, but the way its 258lb ft is delivered makes this a deceptively quick. Devastatingly so in the mid-range. Maybe that's why, after owning three of the things, and spending a small fortune making them go faster, I still catch myself looking for another.

It does straight and fast very well actually
It does straight and fast very well actually
I'll get the negatives out of the way first, of which there are a few. Even the youngest examples out there are 15 years old, and unless you're looking at some kind of miracle, the passing of 100,000 miles will be a distant memory. It was better made than the Croma/Thema/164 it shared its platform and many parts with, but the body is far from rigid, and the combination of miles, torque, stiff suspension, and poor roads will have taken their toll.

They rust around the edges, most alarmingly in the windscreen surround, and the gearboxes are weak (unless you go for an auto, in which case, it's an Aero in name only), while for most normally-proportioned owners, the driving position is strangely odd. But get a good one, and you'll be rewarded by a performance car with a very different blend of qualities that can prove addictive.

Even before you're off, and you're past the dated styling (although Saab 9000s are one of a select few cars that looks cool on three-spoke alloys), the interior is a rare treat. Genuine Aeros have fully enveloping seats, which are amazingly shaped, and a slab-like dashboard that marketing people will tell you was designed to resemble an aircraft cockpit. It looks good, inviting, and very business-like.

Keith has plenty of personal experience here
Keith has plenty of personal experience here
Start it up, and there's an undistinguished hum at idle, which reflects what it's like when, you're up and running - very rarely are you made aware of the engine, especially when cruising at high speed. It's not a screamer - the long-stroke design sees to that - and most of the time, even when working hard, the soft-edged engine note is usually overshadowed by the various whoosh and gushes from the turbo. And all those dynamic foibles? Only if you take it by the scruff of the neck on B-roads - but in truth, this car's about going fast in a straight line over long distances.

But where the Saab proves to be an absolute blinder is its way of making other cars move backwards very quickly. From 50mph, floor a well set-up Aero in third, fourth or even fifth, and the immense torque and old school turbo boost will leave you chuckling. Overtaking in even the smallest of opportunities becomes a breeze. I have many happy memories of mine - surprising many, many fast cars on the Autobahn, out-dragging a Volvo T5R on a very long-uphill run, driving from one of Europe to the other without effort.

This was one of three in fact!
This was one of three in fact!
It's perhaps not one of the most obviously PH of cars, but it's a breed the likes of which we don't really see now - understated, refined and effective. Buying one now is getting difficult, thanks to thinning numbers, and good ones remaining in loving hands. A search on PH is now a regular of mine, but - and I'm being controversial here - for what is the best fast Swede of its time, it's worth making the effort. The £500 scrotters have gone now, leaving us the nice £2,000-£4,000 ones, many of which have been tuned, so you do need to ensure they've been done properly.

But buy right, accept its foibles, revel in its strengths, and I promise you won't be disappointed.

[Source: howmanyleft]





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toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

276 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I am rather fond of these.

It was a few years back when I tried one - Williams SAAB in Bristol I think it was - and I was genuinely impressed with the speed and refinement and, it must be said, the most fantastic, lovely, amazing seats fitted to the Aero I drove. All quilted and leathery. I don't think any car has been more comfortable.

We are poorer for not having Saab around. I hope they find a way back.

number1nesta

57 posts

185 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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A big Saab fan here and, although the 9000 didn't have the ignition in the 'right' place, this was a still a Saab of the pre-GM days therefore, a proper one.

The adverts always bragged that the 9000 Aero could outstrip a Lambo on mid-range acceleration.

To top it off, the (Triumph derived) engines are really very hardy, so picking up a nice one with 150k+ on the clock is not usually an issue.

Just expect it to feel heavier than it's 1500kg when cornering!

T16OLE

2,965 posts

220 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I`d never really thought about it, but FWD exec`s really are out of fashion these days.

themanwithnoname

1,634 posts

242 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I really miss mine.

They respond really well to tuning, and the engines are bombproof.

Still have some performance parts and a standard turbo, some injectors, an intercooler etc. in the shed, you know, just in case I happen upon one...

toppstuff

Original Poster:

13,698 posts

276 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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T16OLE said:
I`d never really thought about it, but FWD exec`s really are out of fashion these days.
SUV's are largely replaced them.

Audi have probably sold more Q7 than A7.

hairykrishna

14,494 posts

232 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I liked mine very much. It was the finest example of the "transportation device" class of car I've ever driven. It wasn't particularly exciting or that involving to drive but nor was it at all unpleasant. The inside was nice without being exceptional apart from the seats, which were in a class of their own. It was very economical to run. It never went wrong. By all accounts they're very safe in a crash. Basically you got in it and travelled very quickly and without any drama to where you were going.

Newro

703 posts

291 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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T16OLE said:
I`d never really thought about it, but FWD exec`s really are out of fashion these days.
Really? I was always a RWD preferred kind of guy, and for some time the choice was pretty thin. And looking as 4WD was becoming the common ground. So I am personally delighted and see the rising numbers (and sales) of RWD saloons as a welcome come back.

Still plenty of FWD choices there though Audi A8, Citroen C5, Volkswagen Phaeton, Volvo S70, Ford Mondeo, Vauxhall Insignia, Toyota Avensis, Alfa Giulietta, Peugeot 508, ...


About the SAAB 9000, I personally never got caught by the Saab bug, or whatever you want to call it, and was always kind of neutral towards them. Just never understood what the fuzz was all about?

A friend of mine however had it badly for a while. And maybe he was just unlucky, but in both cases things started to eventually go wrong in very expensive ways. It is not that they were horribly unreliable, on the contrary, for most of the time they were actually just fine. The problem was that when things went eventually did go wrong, they were very expensive to fix. Again, just a single case, so he might have been unlucky, would be interesting from hearing from other former owners though?








Newro

703 posts

291 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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toppstuff said:
Audi have probably sold more Q7 than A7.
Which is a shame. As one is quite pleasing on the eye, while the other looks more like a censored.

JMF894

6,585 posts

184 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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Wish they made seats like that again..........................







StarmistBlue400

3,087 posts

247 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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Ive had a 93 Aero Hot 3 door since September and now Ive got used to the fact that its crap at going round corners Im actually finding it great fun to hussle.

Mine only got 205bhp and is 4speed Auto but the in gear acceleration pretty rapid. The seats are spot on though and it does make for a great cruiser.


Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I'm on my 4th, a 97 Anniversary 2.3T mapped and fettled, love it to bits. Had a 9000 Aero before it very briefly before the wife wrote it off...she is no longer my wife

GranCab

2,914 posts

175 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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Apache said:
I'm on my 4th, a 97 Anniversary 2.3T mapped and fettled, love it to bits. Had a 9000 Aero before it very briefly before the wife wrote it off...she is no longer my wife
... I trust the crash didn't kill her ...

Re. fast 9000s - fun in the dry - totally useless in the wet !

Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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GranCab said:
Apache said:
I'm on my 4th, a 97 Anniversary 2.3T mapped and fettled, love it to bits. Had a 9000 Aero before it very briefly before the wife wrote it off...she is no longer my wife
... I trust the crash didn't kill her ...

Re. fast 9000s - fun in the dry - totally useless in the wet !
true but an lsd makes one hell of an improvement

JamesHayward

655 posts

193 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I've got a 9000 Anniversary and it's alright. 2.3 LPT at the moment but will be FPT after the weekend.

LuS1fer

43,499 posts

274 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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I loved these when they first came out, way back in the 80s, but am not keen on the later rear end.
I prefer this and they really do suit red:

NiceCupOfTea

25,586 posts

280 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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Apache said:
GranCab said:
Apache said:
I'm on my 4th, a 97 Anniversary 2.3T mapped and fettled, love it to bits. Had a 9000 Aero before it very briefly before the wife wrote it off...she is no longer my wife
... I trust the crash didn't kill her ...

Re. fast 9000s - fun in the dry - totally useless in the wet !
true but an lsd makes one hell of an improvement
Glad it's being loved! Have you fitted an LSD?

97 Anniversary 2.3T manual here. Not quite an aero but not far off with 200bhp and the nice Anniversary interior. Bought as a winter shed it is still my daily after 2.5 years. Not worth selling and does so much so well. In gear acceleration is much better than the headline figures suggest, show it an empty duel carriageway and full throttle through 2, 3, 4 and the needle climbs very quickly indeed.

swapped

50 posts

219 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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Had my '97, midnight blue, biscuit interior, manual, stage 3 mods, for 6 years, until 3 years ago when it went to a new home at 200,000 miles because I took on a commute that required a diesel.

Now in an E39 530d, often described as the best used car ever made, and it's great, but I don't have a fondness for it like the Aero generated.

The nature of the power delivery was always key to the Aero - a friend bought a 996 Turbo, had a drive of my Aero and immediately spent £4000 getting the Porsche modified because while clearly several orders of magnitude faster, he thought it wasn't as exciting to drive as the Saab. For exciting, of course, you are welcome to read unruly.

I still feel like an Aero driver who happens to be driving something else more sensible currently.

Apache

39,731 posts

313 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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NiceCupOfTea said:
Apache said:
GranCab said:
Apache said:
I'm on my 4th, a 97 Anniversary 2.3T mapped and fettled, love it to bits. Had a 9000 Aero before it very briefly before the wife wrote it off...she is no longer my wife
... I trust the crash didn't kill her ...

Re. fast 9000s - fun in the dry - totally useless in the wet !
true but an lsd makes one hell of an improvement
Glad it's being loved! Have you fitted an LSD?

97 Anniversary 2.3T manual here. Not quite an aero but not far off with 200bhp and the nice Anniversary interior. Bought as a winter shed it is still my daily after 2.5 years. Not worth selling and does so much so well. In gear acceleration is much better than the headline figures suggest, show it an empty duel carriageway and full throttle through 2, 3, 4 and the needle climbs very quickly indeed.
no but just had to fit an offside wing as the red peril struck, clutch begins to slip under fierce boost so that will be next on the list

ToothbrushMan

1,772 posts

154 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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"outdragging a Volvo T-5R".........

900T-R

20,406 posts

286 months

Thursday 13th March 2014
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As a matter of fact, the 9000 Aero did comprehensively out-handle the Audi S4, BMW 530i V8 (too soft) and the Alfa 164Q in an Auto Zeitung comparison test - both in objective and subjective terms. But then, this was well before the times that big exec barges all had to be 'sporting', so the relatively uncompromising demeanour of the Saab might have come as a bit of an eye-opener back then.

Of course, this being a German mag in the end the Audi won with a nose length before the Saab and BMW on joint second and the Alfa way behind...

Back then, I felt the 9000 to be way too big inside compared to the more intimate feel of the classic 900s that I was used to, but even standard ones were in terms of outright pace quite effective on the track days I attended back then...