"On the road price" PLUS road tax??

[jon_80]

I'm hoping to buy a BMW through the select (PCP) system. Not looking for the rights and wrongs of that, it will actually work ok for me with the profile of cash flows etc.

However the blow came when it turned out the on the price we start with, which I had believed to be an on the road price, does not include road tax. Is this normal or is a case of the salesman pulling a fast one, trying to take back with one hand what he'd given with the other in the negotiations? It's not exactly a 116d either. This is nearly £500.

Might seem a small matter in the scheme of things, but what is the "normal" practice with this?

Thanks in advance for any insights.

[twing]

Believed to be true? Led to believe? Imagined?

[jon_80]

twing said:

Believed to be true? Led to believe? Imagined?

(Presumably you just want to clarify what I mean so that you can then provide some useful insight.)

As seen on the online finance calculator: "On the road price," which was precisely equal to the figure displayed by the dealer, on the AUC website and on the dealer's own website.

[twing]

So it's worded like this... "On the road cash prices are based on manufacturers recommended retail price and include 3 year BMW dealer warranty, BMW Emergency Service, 12 months road fund license, vehicle first registration fee, delivery, number plates and VAT." ?

[Wills2]

Tell him/her you expect the VED to be included in the starting OTRP or no deal, but be prepared to walk away and find another.

FWIW I agree "on the road" to me means including VED, righty or wrongly, my response to the salesman would be "well it's not on the road is it? without the VED. (I've bought 6 new BMW's in the last 7 years and they all included VED in the negotiated price without me having to specifically mention it)

How good is the deal?

Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 23 March 15:25

[E30M3SE]

jon_80 said:

(Presumably you just want to clarify what I mean so that you can then provide some useful insight.)

As seen on the online finance calculator: "On the road price," which was precisely equal to the figure displayed by the dealer, on the AUC website and on the dealer's own website.

So, the car is a used car not brand new?

[goldblum]

Yep. On the road means 'ready to drive away'. Cheeky feckers.


As annoying as when you ask the price of something as a quote, accept, the job's done and it's £150 more. That'll be the VAT sir. Eh? Don't you know what 'total cost' means?

[Riley Blue]

Is insurance included?

[goldblum]

Riley Blue said:

Is insurance included?

If you get a new Merc it can be, yes. Although only for a short time.

[Vladimir]

The BM I bought in January had it included as should all cars. It's quite expensive for first registration (double the RFL I think?)!

[Riley Blue]

goldblum said:

Riley Blue said:

Is insurance included?

If you get a new Merc it can be, yes. Although only for a short time.

But not in the case of the BMW the OP bought so even had VED been included it wouldn't have been an 'on the road' price'

[Dolf Stoppard]

Having purchased a few cars through used schemes (BMW, Audi, Porsche) my experience is that the sticker price doesn't normally include tax - the excuse being that it gives you the chance to choose between six or twelve months. At the end of the day if it was included the price of the car would be adjusted accordingly and you'd be no better off .

[goldblum]

Riley Blue said:

goldblum said:

Riley Blue said:

Is insurance included?

If you get a new Merc it can be, yes. Although only for a short time.

But not in the case of the BMW the OP bought so even had VED been included it wouldn't have been an 'on the road' price'

Give over.

[Butter Face]

Where was the 'on the road' part quoted?

Just looking at the BMW AUC site I can't see anything that says 'on the road' next to any price?

General rule of thumb is that no RFL included on any used car unless otherwise specified.

[goldblum]

Butter Face said:

Where was the 'on the road' part quoted?

Just looking at the BMW AUC site I can't see anything that says 'on the road' next to any price?

General rule of thumb is that no RFL included on any used car unless otherwise specified.

A few lines up /\

jon_80 said:

As seen on the online finance calculator: "On the road price," which was precisely equal to the figure displayed by the dealer, on the AUC website and on the dealer's own website.

[Butter Face]

I'm looking at the AUC website right now and nowhere does it say 'on the road price'

So is it on the dealers site that says 'on the road'??

OP needs to clarify.

[HTP99]

I had a look on the website too; earlier, and I can't find anything that says "on the road price", I may have missed it though?

General rule though, if it's used it most likely won't have RFL.

[Wills2]

Ah OK it's a used car, but to be fair, the negotiation shouldn't be who can be the biggest tt, "aha sir! but now I shall add on all the things I didn't include!" is hardly a heart warming customer experience is it?

Better to be upfront at the start and price the car to your market, who wouldn't expect VED on an AUC car?

[twing]

VED is a government charge, not a dealer charge, you should expect to pay it on top.

[Butter Face]

twing said:

VED is a government charge, not a dealer charge, you should expect to pay it on top.

I agree.

Especially as must people are trading in a car with VED on it and given it to send back. That's how we do it anyway.