RE: Shed of the Week: VW Passat V5
RE: Shed of the Week: VW Passat V5
Friday 28th March 2014

Shed of the Week: VW Passat V5

Shed's experience with Passat estates isn't brilliant, but this V5 should be better. Maybe



Oscar Wilde once said that experience was the name everyone gives to their mistakes. In Shed's case, the name he gives to his biggest blunder is Mrs Shed.

Kit list includes leather, climate, xenons...
Kit list includes leather, climate, xenons...
Of course, we all make boo-boos in life. When it comes to motor cars, Shed is about as trusting as an okapi at Longleat, but even he isn't beyond buying the odd pup. Like the Passat estate that turned out to have its own onboard paddling pool, and a sodden ECU that dropped the windows when you pressed the horn, tooted the horn when you indicated left, and increased the radio volume when you turned right.

This week's Shed is also a Passat estate, but hopefully a rather better one than Shed's nasty diesel munter. As it's April Fool's Day between now and the next instalment, Shed has decided to include some deliberate mistakes in today's ramblings. Let's see how many you can spot. And no saying the whole thing is a mistake: that's too easy.

So, the Passat. It may have looked like the sort of car a cautious accountant with double life insurance might buy to transport a small quantity of doggedly inert materials, but underneath those inoffensive swathes of sheet metal (they are surprisingly big cars) you could specify some interesting mechanicals. Besides the usual array of petrol and diesel fours, you had options like 4Motion four-wheel drive, a 300hp R36, a 270hp 4.0-litre W8, a hinging-head 3.2 litre two-stroke, or the 2.3-litre V5 that pushes this one along. 

... but no alloys. Huh?
... but no alloys. Huh?
V5s. Hmm. The thing about V5 engines is that they mess with your head. They should have the smoothness and revvability of a six, and the torque of a four, but somehow they end up having neither. It's peculiar. In one sense, the V5 is almost a prescient hybrid, combining as it does two of today's most progressive small car engine formats, the two-pot popularised (sort of) by the Fiat Twinair and the three-pot lump you can find in just about any city motor these days.

Talking of Fiat, it had a five-cylinder option of its own, a 24-valve 2.0-litre that on paper should have been good but that in reality was ultimately underwhelming in everything bar the 220hp turbo Coupé. Shed seems to remember ex-PH big cheese Stuart Forrest eulogising about an HGT Bravo he once ran. He's a nice chap, Stuart, but he was clearly a bit mental at that stage of his life.

Now, a straight five like Audi's 2.1 that went on to achieve everlasting fame under the bonnet of the quattro rally weapon, that's a different matter altogether. But this Passat engine is a V5, hence the badge on the boot. Interestingly, Volkswagen only went for a V5 because they couldn't come up with a suitably grabby name for a straight five.

V5 the best of four- and six-cylinder worlds?
V5 the best of four- and six-cylinder worlds?
This 2000 car should be one of the last 10-valve 150hp V5s. They became 170hp 20-valvers after that. Basically a VR6 minus a cylinder, the V5 is an understressed unit and its cams are driven by a chain that shouldn't break, but they can slap about in a big-miler like this one. Listen out for a metallic thrashing noise that's more evident on cold oil. Listen also for a guttural, slightly stifled groan, usually when parked near petrol pumps. That's coming from your throat as you pour another load of petrol in. These are not particularly economical cars, the downside of having another mouth/piston to feed.

Handling is puddingy, with overlight steering that makes it a less than reassuring towing choice. Faulty front lower wishbones were the subject of a global recall in 2001, but with moo on the seats and a song in your heart, who cares when you're breezing along the motorway at a wallet-murdering 85 per?

The Passat had high perceived quality when it came out, and there is evidence to suggest that the V5s will be as mechanically long-lasting as any other model, but there are one or two design flaws in the B5 model that could trip you up. The water ingress problem mentioned earlier comes from a daft soakaway system that stops soaking away to the outside when one or two critical holes in the scuttle and battery tray areas get blocked. But is that only in the diesel model? Ah, well, that's all part of the April Fool fun. It'll cost you £800 to find out.

Here's the ad.

blue, FULL LEATHER SEATS 1 OWNERS FROM BRAND NEW++FULL MAIN DEALER AND SPECIALIST HISTORY++XENONS++A-C+++CLIMATE CONTROL++2 KEYS, Next MOT due 30/04/2014, Tax expires 30/04/2014, Last serviced on 11/12/2013, Full service history, Good bodywork, Black Full leather interior - Excellent Condition, Tyre condition Average, Traction control, Central locking, Height adjustable drivers seat, Sports seats, PAS, Air conditioning, Radio/CD Multichanger, Rear armrest, Rear headrests, Remote central locking, Alarm, Roof rails, Rear wiper, Drivers airbag, Steering wheel rake adjustment, Folding rear seats, Front head restraints, Trip computer, ABS, Immobiliser, Alloy wheels, Front armrest, Service indicator, Passenger airbag, Side airbags, Steering wheel reach adjustment, Front electric windows, Rear electric windows, Climate control, Full size spare wheel, Electric door mirrors, Heated door mirrors, Radio/Cassette. 5 seats, Free Delivery 40 Miles Radius, Viewings Till Late Evening 7 Days a Week, Warranty Covers Supplied, £800 p/x welcome

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SmartVenom

Original Poster:

462 posts

198 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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I'm sure there will be plenty who love this, but far, far, too dull for me. Still it is a lot of car for the money.

crostonian

2,427 posts

201 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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A 24 Valve 2 litre 5 pot!? That's some engine! Do I get a prize?

BFleming

3,913 posts

172 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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I had the V5 170bhp wagon with the Tip box. A very disappointing car, very underwhelming in every respect. You'd be so better off with a 1.8T & a remap. Or the 2.8 & 4WD. Probably a great engine in a Golf or Toledo, not so great in the heavy Passat - especially with 150bhp.
Passat's in general are so well put together though, and mine was no exception. The only fails were the plenum chamber filling with water (drain holes blocked) which sets the alarm off (best case) or floods the interior (rarer & thankfully not experienced), and for me a sticky power steering valve meaning no power assistance when the system was hot. I found this out when half way round a lap of the Ring.

Hugo a Gogo

23,437 posts

262 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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nothing exciting about it whatsoever, but 800 quid is a bargain

not really in the spirit of shed

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

179 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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Id soon get bored of explaining to people it's a V5, and it's got leather seats.
I'm sure it's very practical but not enough go for too little Mpg, and I imagine it's not particularly spritely round the bends.
Boring!
Next!

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

195 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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1 months MOT would put me off, but it's otherwise a decent car for the money. I think i'd rather have the 2.5 V6 Mondeo Estate over this though, as they drive better and have a bigger boot.

I've never driven a V5. Do they make the same warbly 5 pot sound that makes even my decidedly average Volvo V70 sound like a rally car? Sort of.

Amebix

45 posts

183 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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"a hinging-head 3.2 litre two-stroke"

Say wut??

BFleming

3,913 posts

172 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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mnkiboy said:
I've never driven a V5. Do they make the same warbly 5 pot sound that makes even my decidedly average Volvo V70 sound like a rally car? Sort of.
Safe to say they do not make that noise. Or much noise at all. Zzzzzzzz

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

214 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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The V5 sounds great (like the famous Audi 5 cylinder) but is a bit of a nothing engine. Apparently it's essentially the VR6 engine just minus one cylinder!

Depending on the year is either 150BHP or 170BHP, and given the weight of a Passat to lug around it isn't that quick and it drinks fuel. It's no real wonder VW dropped the V5 engine quite soon into its lifespan.

BorkFactor

7,278 posts

187 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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Our neighbors had a gold one for years, lovely seats and extremely reliable. A little juicy but it sounded great and was very comfortable.

I would happily take a punt on one smile

mrpenks

390 posts

184 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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Boredom in every single way imaginable...

nicfaz

439 posts

259 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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Shed fail. Passat estate not interesting, V5's not one of VW's best efforts as prone to going bang when new, not that powerful but epically thirsty. As a previous post said, 1.8T remapped or 2.8 4WD, but never V5...

Laur

24 posts

234 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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I had one for few years was a gret car a little bit different, my brother had the previous model with the vr6 better engine but build quality years behind well over 30mpg on a run low 20's in town

mickyveloce

1,035 posts

265 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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I bought a V5 Passat estate a couple of years ago as a winter run around. It had some lovely features such as half leather and blue alcantara heated seats. Engine was super smooth and very quiet. All in all a great shed.

mikeyr

3,395 posts

222 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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A nice car.

A good value car.

Not an interesting car though sadly.

But, I can see that in the real world of buying a day-to-day car this would be higher up the list than many previous SOTWs.

AC43

13,611 posts

237 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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If I needed a large shed estate why not?

It's so cheap the fuel consumption wouldn't matter. And anyway a mate had a diesel of that year and the engine clatter inside was of biblical proportions.

That would be a decent spacious wafter.

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

195 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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I like the appeal of driving a car that's a little different. V5's a pretty rare compared the 1.8. Just looking at the performance figures on Autotrader. 0-60 in 9.1 doesn't sound too bad, though the extra torque of the 1.8T would make it the preferred choice most of the time.

This car is also up for £700 on AT, rather than the £800 listed here. I still wouldn't touch it with such a short MOT.

dbdb

5,192 posts

202 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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It is a reasonably decent car for £800 and I'm sure it would be very practical,thirst aside, being an estate. A Shed should be interesting though, and this just isn't!

dbdb

5,192 posts

202 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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crostonian said:
A 24 Valve 2 litre 5 pot!? That's some engine! Do I get a prize?
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StarmistBlue400

3,087 posts

247 months

Friday 28th March 2014
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BFleming said:
Safe to say they do not make that noise. Or much noise at all. Zzzzzzzz
I had a Seat Toledo with this engine and it did sound good, more engine warble than exhaust noise though (I guess a decent Zaust would sort that).

I would think it would struggle to move the mass of the Passat as well as it does the Toledo and Golf.

Why the st wheel trims too? Surely it would have had alloys when new.