Has the fuel price peaked ?
Has the fuel price peaked ?
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J4CKO

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46,824 posts

229 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Ok, aside from normal inflation but has petrol found its limit, people are buying more economical cars and using alternatives so demand has gone down, I get an email from petrolprices.com and have done for a year and a bit and it hasnt gone up, £1.26.9.

Do we expect any more huge increases, would think the oil companies are perhaps realising that the market wont stand it and that they need to maintain it at a level that people grumble about but get on with rather than go electric or ride a push bike, they are making billions still, appreciate fuel for cars is a small part of their business but it is still significant.

Have the government realised its very unpopular hiking fuel duty all the time ?and they have perhaps had all fuel duty has to give ? perhaps they see if people dont use their cars they dont get any duty and people dont spend, dont go out for meals and stuff so the effect has a knock on, on other tax revenue greater than what they get back from it ?

Or is it just the general election isnt that far off ?

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trickywoo

14,145 posts

259 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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No

Sobored

128 posts

184 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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It will never go down or stay the same, it always goes up. No point wasting brain power even thinking about this.

mnkiboy

4,409 posts

195 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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The price fluctuates and in the short term you can see price drops. In the long term though, it will only ever go one way.

Shaoxter

4,598 posts

153 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Sobored said:
It will never go down or stay the same, it always goes up. No point wasting brain power even thinking about this.
Nice whine but the OP did say excluding inflation. Of course everything will go up over time due to inflation.

Also prices have fallen from 140p and according to petrolprices.com real prices are around the same now as they were in 2010.

BRMMA

1,907 posts

201 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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whilst in the uk people are driving less and are using more fuel efficient cars on a global scale the demand for oil is soaring so that will inevitably push oil prices up

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

260 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Shaoxter said:
Sobored said:
It will never go down or stay the same, it always goes up. No point wasting brain power even thinking about this.
Nice whine but the OP did say excluding inflation. Of course everything will go up over time due to inflation.

Also prices have fallen from 140p and according to petrolprices.com real prices are around the same now as they were in 2010.
Short to medium term, I'd say it was stable for a bit, as the price of (oil $, plus taxes) is now fairly transparent, and thus difficult to play around with.

Absent a stunning new discovery of fuel sources that work in mobile crashdevices, or a ME war, I'd say it will stay where it is for the next year or so, especially with a UK election coming up.

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,824 posts

229 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Shaoxter said:
Sobored said:
It will never go down or stay the same, it always goes up. No point wasting brain power even thinking about this.
Nice whine but the OP did say excluding inflation. Of course everything will go up over time due to inflation.

Also prices have fallen from 140p and according to petrolprices.com real prices are around the same now as they were in 2010.
Yes, thats exactly my point, a gallon is about 52P for the fuel and retailer, the rest goes to the government.

I am not against paying fuel duty but for a few years it was the only answer they seemed to have to raising funds, and that particular Golden Goose got a sore arse.

kambites

71,460 posts

250 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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As above, they've been falling for the last few years. Will they ever go higher than they did in 2010? Probably, at some point but I'd guess not until something else goes horribly wrong in the middle east.

Dog Star

17,558 posts

197 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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BRMMA said:
whilst in the uk people are driving less and are using more fuel efficient cars on a global scale the demand for oil is soaring so that will inevitably push oil prices up
I thought that car fuel use in the UK had dropped by a good amount, even though there are more vehicles on the road - can't remember where I read that.

If you think about it most modern cars achieve pretty impressive economy (I remember my 45bhp X reg Fiesta never did more than 30mpg - what's the bhp and mpg of it's modern version? 80bhp & 60 mpg? at a guess). And to my eye there are an awful lot of people who burble along at 60mph on the motorway nowadays. Fuel price is affecting behaviour.

GrizzlyBear

1,108 posts

164 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Maybe the price of the fuel, but you can bet the taxes will keep on going up.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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BRMMA said:
whilst in the uk people are driving less and are using more fuel efficient cars on a global scale the demand for oil is soaring so that will inevitably push oil prices up
This.

Short/medium term fluctuations have seen prices at the pump fall but don't expect this to remain the case long term.

Hobojim

134 posts

156 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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The global demand is increasing massively and the rate at which it is increasing is increasing.

The local oil (north sea) is getting harder and harder to get at. So the price of the UK's 'secure' oil will go up a lot as well. (But it is really good oil!)

Engineer1

10,486 posts

238 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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No, and I can't see why it would.

mikeveal

5,111 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Sorry, but it's a dumb question.

Given a finite supply of oil and an increasing demand, what does the OP think will happen to prices long term?

lamboman100

1,445 posts

150 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Fuel tax will go back up after the 2015 election and so will the overall price of petrol / diesel. Fuel is just going through a temporary pause in price in 2013 / 2014.

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

294 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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randlemarcus said:
Absent a stunning new discovery of fuel sources that work in mobile crashdevices...
Synthetic methanol. Works in our current vehicle fleet and infrastructure and can be made from water and atmospheric CO2. Carbon neutral when burnt.

Sadly like widespread use of hydrogen and full EVs it really needs either very cheap electricity or very expensive petrol.

AA999

5,180 posts

246 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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J4CKO said:
I am not against paying fuel duty ...
I am against paying fuel duty. VAT at 20% and then another duty/tax on top...how did the public ever allow that to happen?

Terminator X

20,556 posts

233 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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mikeveal said:
Sorry, but it's a dumb question.

Given a finite supply of oil and an increasing demand, what does the OP think will happen to prices long term?
Were you also saying this in the 70's? If you take out inflation / tax it wouldn't surprise me at all if prices have dropped. Better technology dear boy!

TX.

mikeveal

5,111 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Terminator X said:
Were you also saying this in the 70's? If you take out inflation / tax it wouldn't surprise me at all if prices have dropped. Better technology dear boy!

TX.
Gads you know how to be irrelevant.

Are you disputing that the supply of fossil fuels is finite?

If not, then please explain why you think prices won't rise as supply dries up.