DIY dpf gutting, possible?
DIY dpf gutting, possible?
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HertsBiker

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6,443 posts

300 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Saw this mentioned in another thread. Is it really as simple as banging a drill through it? How does the ecu know if you've done this? Just curious.....

Ray Luxury-Yacht

8,918 posts

245 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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It is possible, yes, and lots of people do it. However, some MOT testers are also getting a little bit wise and savvy, and occasionally are spotting such skulduggery.

Best thing to do is Google DPF removal - there is enough to keep you reading about it for days on end!


Driver101

14,451 posts

150 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Leave it on and if it has failed, buy a new one.

If you've bought a diesel, you have to accept it has drawbacks.

V8RX7

28,982 posts

292 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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You can just clean them out.

redtwin

7,518 posts

211 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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The ECU should be remapped to account for the lack of the DPF. If not, it may still attempt regeneration which could lead to plumes of exhaust smoke as extra fuel being injected won't be burned by a non-existent DPF.

The other theory is that with a free flowing DPF the sensor will never request a regen so no issue with the extra fuel/smoke. I have heard of someone who did that, but he also reset the ECU to say a new DPF had been fitted.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

227 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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MOT failure then.

Monty Python

4,813 posts

226 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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If you remove the insides then the ECU will register a fault with the differential pressure sensor - it measures soot build-up by the difference in pressure before and after the filter, so this has to be removed from the ECU.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

233 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Monty Python said:
If you remove the insides then the ECU will register a fault with the differential pressure sensor - it measures soot build-up by the difference in pressure before and after the filter, so this has to be removed from the ECU.
What if you stick an orifice plate in there that will create a differencial pressure?


Monty Python

4,813 posts

226 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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I suppose you could do that, but then you've also got temperature and oxygen sensors to cope with as well.

lbc

3,331 posts

246 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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HertsBiker said:
Saw this mentioned in another thread. Is it really as simple as banging a drill through it? How does the ecu know if you've done this? Just curious.....
Remove DPF housing from car, which is often the most time consuming part.
Some DPF housing need cutting open and rewelding after the filter is drilled out.

ECU will need programming to stop regen cycles and EOLYS fluid pump if fitted.

MOT should pass on a diesel as it's only a smoke test and check to see if DPF housing is still there.

A tankfull of Shell V-Power at MOT time should reduce any diesel smoke.

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

255 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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"Tests for diesel cars and lorries are to be tightened up to ensure vehicles have a critical exhaust filter if one had originally been fitted as standard, Roads Minister Robert Goodwill has announced.

Garages and testing stations will be required check for a diesel particulate filter (DPF) in the inspection of the exhaust system as part of the MOT test (or annual test for heavy vehicles) from February 2014.

The vehicle will automatically fail the MOT test if the filter had been fitted as standard but is found to be no longer present."

lbc

3,331 posts

246 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Riley Blue said:
The vehicle will automatically fail the MOT test if the filter had been fitted as standard but is found to be no longer present."
Old news.

Your car will still pass, as they only check the DPF housing is still fitted.

You will get a fail if a straight pipe has replaced the DPF housing.

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

255 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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lbc said:
Riley Blue said:
The vehicle will automatically fail the MOT test if the filter had been fitted as standard but is found to be no longer present."
Old news.

Your car will still pass, as they only check the DPF housing is still fitted.

You will get a fail if a straight pipe has replaced the DPF housing.
"Following discussions with the Department for Transport, the inspection will initially be restricted to a visual examination for the presence of a DPF or any diesel catalytic converter (DCAT), in addition to the metered smoke check."

Looks like it may be more than a visual inspection in the future.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

238 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Riley Blue said:
lbc said:
Riley Blue said:
The vehicle will automatically fail the MOT test if the filter had been fitted as standard but is found to be no longer present."
Old news.

Your car will still pass, as they only check the DPF housing is still fitted.

You will get a fail if a straight pipe has replaced the DPF housing.
"Following discussions with the Department for Transport, the inspection will initially be restricted to a visual examination for the presence of a DPF or any diesel catalytic converter (DCAT), in addition to the metered smoke check."

Looks like it may be more than a visual inspection in the future.
I can't see what else they can do as if they have to remove it to inspect then surely the garage is opening itself up to issues if the dpf fails shortly after.

Squishey

576 posts

157 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Apparently, some can be a right PITA to get to involving a few hours labour. A thorough inspection of the DPF is not reasonably practicable.

Monty Python

4,813 posts

226 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Engineer1 said:
I can't see what else they can do as if they have to remove it to inspect then surely the garage is opening itself up to issues if the dpf fails shortly after.
They'll just connect the car up to a diagnostic computer and check the DPF code is still there. If it's been deleted then it's obviously been removed.

Andehh

7,596 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Monty Python said:
They'll just connect the car up to a diagnostic computer and check the DPF code is still there. If it's been deleted then it's obviously been removed.
I doubt it is really that simple.

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

255 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Andehh said:
Monty Python said:
They'll just connect the car up to a diagnostic computer and check the DPF code is still there. If it's been deleted then it's obviously been removed.
I doubt it is really that simple.
You mean you hope it isn't really that simple...

mrmr96

13,736 posts

233 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Riley Blue said:
Andehh said:
Monty Python said:
They'll just connect the car up to a diagnostic computer and check the DPF code is still there. If it's been deleted then it's obviously been removed.
I doubt it is really that simple.
You mean you hope it isn't really that simple...
Mot currently doesn't allow for plugging things into the car. May change in future tho.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

241 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Driver101 said:
Leave it on and if it has failed, buy a new one.

If you've bought a diesel, you have to accept it has drawbacks.
Good answer.

If a DPF has "failed" chances are the driver has the wrong car for their lifestyle (miles/length of journey etc)

Just buy a petrol. People will like you more smile