RE: Ford Capri 3.0 S: £15K competition update
RE: Ford Capri 3.0 S: £15K competition update
Tuesday 8th April 2014

Ford Capri 3.0 S: £15K competition update

The woeful brakes can be ignored no longer!



With the clocks forward and the summer on its way, our Adrian Flux competition winners from last year are eagerly preparing their cars for the imminent (hopefully) warmer months.


This update from Matt on his Capri is actually a little late (sorry Matt!) with more work underway at present. Expect another story from him in the very near future as he continues building his perfect Capri. With John's Integrale laid up over winter we will hopefully hear from him soon as his Lancia gets rolled out for 2014 and enjoyed.

Here Matt explains how his ongoing brake issue was finally resolved and his rather unorthodox approach to some suspension work. More to come soon!

Thanks again to Adrian Flux for sponsoring the competition.

 


In the past few updates I've mentioned an ever-growing pile of parts that I have for the Capri. After the last bit of excitement with the brakes, I figured it's about time I stopped using them as a draft excluder in the garage and introduced them to Tony.

This one's called 'hammers are important'
This one's called 'hammers are important'
Last month I explained how utterly awful the brakes have been since I bought the car. The (working!) Land Rover master cylinder seemed to make a huge difference in feel and performance, but I figured it'd be wise to refresh the rest of the system before I got used to them being terrible again.

I'd spent months researching how best I could give the car some stopping power that wouldn't be laughed at by my sister's Fiat 500. I got very tempted by the Caprisport kits and mesmerised by the likes of Hi-Spec and Wilwood, before realising I wasn't too keen on £450 for scrapyard parts and definitely couldn't stretch to the £600+ for shiny aluminium offerings, in addition to the £150 increase on my insurance premium.

Luckily, everybody's favourite auction site came to my aid. I'd already bought some 2.8i Bilstein struts that had been freshly rebuilt and converted to coilovers from there, and found the perfect complement to them; a set of new M16 (2.8i) calipers with drilled, grooved and vented discs, including everything I needed to fit them for less than half the price of the cheapest four-pot set up. I know brakes are never an area to scrimp on, but on a student budget I'll never be melting plastic and placing an order with AP any time soon. Besides, anything is an improvement here.

Burning the midnight oil after a small mistake
Burning the midnight oil after a small mistake
A friend of mine races Caterhams and told me the M16 is still a widely used caliper here, receiving praise from him for being such a solid, flex-free unit more than up to the job with decent pads. Admittedly the super-lightweight Caterham would probably stop well if I put the discs from my bike on there, but we chatted for a while and I thought I'd give it a go, maintaining a view to a four-pot upgrade in the future.

I got into conversation with Dave, owner of DS Automotive in Weston, about the kit and various other bits and pieces I needed. Following some sound advice and a lot of deliberation about spring weights and general car set up, a big box of tricks turned up in the post a few days later after he'd specially ordered some Mintex M1144s in for me. For that, I'd like to thank and thoroughly recommend him - absolutely fantastic bloke whose help was invaluable to me, top quality parts too.

With the parts in, I started making a plan of attack. First up, do the Billies have the same size thread as the 3.0 legs? After taking the nut off and checking, I can confirm they do. I can also confirm that forgetting to put the top nut back on to very tired dampers before lifting the car off the ground is a terrible mistake to make.

New brakes a huge improvement
New brakes a huge improvement
Before I could register my schoolboy error, the damper was through the top-mount and sat in the middle of the spring, refusing to go back through. After an hour or so of trying, I decided there was no time like the present and started the strut swap, on my own, largely underprepared, on the cold floor of my driveway in at about 3pm. Proof that the naivety of youth knows no bounds, I tackled it head on, broke out the work lights and eventually finished up after around 16 cold hours on my back, punctuated with a little sleep and a hangover due in no small part to my neighbour and their toffee vodka. Never again.

Around 6pm on day two, with the sun gone, struts fitted, ride height set, brakes plumbed in with some typically fantastic Goodridge braided lines, then bled with the help of my mum, it was just about time to go for a test drive.

Crunch, wobble, grind, crunch, bang. Oh dear. I made it barely 100 metres before limping back at a speed only comparable to tectonic plates or longshore drift, to find nothing was clearly wrong or damaged. Now I'm not an overly spiritual person, but I think the very vocal protest was a gentle nudge from someone telling me it wasn't advisable to go and bed my brakes in without tightening one set of wheel nuts.

Matt out enjoying the fruits of his labour
Matt out enjoying the fruits of his labour
Point taken, and tiredness error corrected, Faye and I took Tony out for a burn over to Wallasea the following evening to get everything checked out. To say it has transformed the car is an understatement - braking hard from 60/70 now suspends me in the seat belt, it pulls up straight and true and the 275lb springs have actually improved the ride, as well as largely eliminating the understeer issues it suffered from so drastically before.

Frustratingly, it's carried over the 40mph-right-turn-wobble despite almost everything up front being changed, however that has narrowed down the possible culprits to only the track control arm bushes (a common Capri failure) or the steering rack. Hopefully a replacement of the former will see stage one of the suspension overhaul complete. I've still yet to fit the rear springs or cure the shake, but I'm feeling very good about how it's starting to shape up, driving the car hard in confidence at long last is pure joy.

 

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UltimaCH

Original Poster:

3,181 posts

218 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Guess you learn through your mistakes. Good work and lookinf forward to the next episode. I miss my 2600RS of old...
By the way, is the cuppa on the floor the reason for the hangover?

timmeh2k

80 posts

181 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Can't believe they wanted to charge you £150 extra on the insurance for making your car able to stop properly!

Nice to see the upgrades and refreshing continuing! Look forward to the next update

wab172uk

2,005 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Growing up, my old man always owned capri's. The most fondly remembered was his White 3.0S.

strummerville

1,022 posts

156 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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UltimaCH said:
Guess you learn through your mistakes. Good work and lookinf forward to the next episode. I miss my 2600RS of old...
By the way, is the cuppa on the floor the reason for the hangover?
RS2600? Plastikbombe! Respect.

PATTERNPART

693 posts

230 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Brilliant article. Grass roots tinkering. You learn such a lot from tackling these jobs and the satisfaction is immense. We all make mistakes when tired. In the old days one could find Princess brake calipers which were 4 pots. Heavy old things though. I went to Hi-Spec in their early days and had bias braking fitted to my Escort. A bit unneccessary but fun to adjust and play with.

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

289 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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timmeh2k said:
Can't believe they wanted to charge you £150 extra on the insurance for making your car able to stop properly!
He needs to find a better insurance company (He's not made the mistake of going to Adrian Flux, has he?) When I did a whole slew of stuff to my TVR Chimaera (including suspension, brakes and safety upgrades) my insurers said "These all sound sensible; no charge".

I am a little envious, though. Takes me back to my Mk1 3000E. Made mostly of rust.

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

289 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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timmeh2k said:
Can't believe they wanted to charge you £150 extra on the insurance for making your car able to stop properly!
He needs to find a better insurance company (He's not made the mistake of going to Adrian Flux, has he?) When I did a whole slew of stuff to my TVR Chimaera (including suspension, brakes and safety upgrades) my insurers said "These all sound sensible; no charge".

I am a little envious, though. Reminds me of my Mk1 3000E, made mostly of rust. I loved it, though.

Edited by Zumbruk on Tuesday 8th April 14:11

KMB

263 posts

252 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Really nice to see someone tackling some mechanical work and posting up on here, we've all been there when a 2h job turns out to be a 10h job, but some great long term learning takes place on these marathon 'never-give-up-until-it-works' sessions smile

Track Rod

247 posts

176 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Beautifully written, lovely read. A worthy winner methinks!

rage a little bit jealous.....



Fastdruid

9,364 posts

181 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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KMB said:
we've all been there when a 2h job turns out to be a 10h job, but some great long term learning takes place on these marathon 'never-give-up-until-it-works' sessions smile
Absolutely. Mine is - always go straight for maximum attack.

Disks don't come off with a gentle tap? Cut them off with the angle grinder.
Rusted bolt? Go straight to plus-gas, blowtorch (if you can) and a socket + BFO breaker bar.

Oh and never believe the HBOL. My two main things I've learnt are..

Merklynn

6 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Zumbruk said:
He needs to find a better insurance company (He's not made the mistake of going to Adrian Flux, has he?) When I did a whole slew of stuff to my TVR Chimaera (including suspension, brakes and safety upgrades) my insurers said "These all sound sensible; no charge".

I am a little envious, though. Takes me back to my Mk1 3000E. Made mostly of rust.
Whats wrong with Adrian flux? and who do you recommend?

nigelpugh7

6,510 posts

219 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Some of those photos remind me of the god old days in the 1980s working on a variety of old BL cars I owned.

The lack of proper tools, and experience or skills all added to the fun.

I know I did it many times too, but holding a car up with the wheels off on bricks and old wooden blocks is an accident waiting to happen!

Having said that even when I did have some proper drive on ramps,,I still managed to drop a rover sd1 5 speed manual gearbox on my chest whilst changing the clutch on my SD1.

Happy days and thanks for bringing the memories back with this story!

Enjoy the tinkering!

leedsutd1

770 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Ne To Insure ,are a excellent insurance company, my ,Sierra 4x4 cosworth (stage 1 bhp) valued at £8,500 .
Fully comp ,agreed low miles useage, and garaged , £198. a year. My no claims was not carried on to the car so its £198, without using my no claims. Don't see many Capris about now,

Foggy748

323 posts

189 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Reminds me all too well of cold nights on the garage floor trying to change Triumph Spitfire clutches, slipping spanners and skinned knuckles with my dad watching on chuckling.

Soon to be repeated as my 13 yr old son and I attempt to refresh a Land Rover 90 only this time it will be me chuckling smile

Keep at it with the Capri and thanks for the update.

RoverP6B

4,419 posts

157 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Takes me back to working on my own Capri (Mk2 1600). God that car was a piece of junk. I've never experienced such dangerous handling traits on any other car, not even the pair of Mk3 Cortinas (one bought, one inherited) which preceded it...

ATM

21,324 posts

248 months

Wednesday 9th April 2014
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leedsutd1 said:
Ne To Insure
I've googled this and cant find them?

skoze

71 posts

161 months

Wednesday 9th April 2014
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Cheers chaps! Was quite a mistake to make, but it needed to be done - infinitely better for it!

I'm currently with Flux, apart from the brake upgrade issue they have been very good to me over the past couple of years with both the Land Rover and the Capri. Having said that the renewal's up soon (a year already, say what?) so i'd be very keen to hear of insureres people recommend Will be 21 with two years no claims and a view to doubling the power output whistle

Foggy748 said:
Soon to be repeated as my 13 yr old son and I attempt to refresh a Land Rover 90 only this time it will be me chuckling smile

Keep at it with the Capri and thanks for the update.
Best of luck with it! Fully recommend some father-son time with a knackered old Landy, spent a few years rebuilding my 80" with the old man. One of the best things i've ever done.



Will have to do a write up abut that one day if anyone's interested!

Zombie

1,613 posts

224 months

Saturday 12th April 2014
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skoze said:
Cheers chaps! Was quite a mistake to make, but it needed to be done - infinitely better for it!

I'm currently with Flux, apart from the brake upgrade issue they have been very good to me over the past couple of years with both the Land Rover and the Capri. Having said that the renewal's up soon (a year already, say what?) so i'd be very keen to hear of insureres people recommend Will be 21 with two years no claims and a view to doubling the power output whistle

Foggy748 said:
Soon to be repeated as my 13 yr old son and I attempt to refresh a Land Rover 90 only this time it will be me chuckling smile

Keep at it with the Capri and thanks for the update.
Best of luck with it! Fully recommend some father-son time with a knackered old Landy, spent a few years rebuilding my 80" with the old man. One of the best things i've ever done.



Will have to do a write up abut that one day if anyone's interested!
What are you planning to do with it that'll double the power output? V8?

I feel your pain BTW, working on a car, during winter, in the dark, on the drive. Not fun. smile

Edited by Zombie on Saturday 12th April 20:45

jayemm89

4,460 posts

159 months

Sunday 13th April 2014
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For insurance, at that age, you're kinda knackered. I have had the same problem as I'm currently 24 and can't go on any of my Dad's classic policies until at least 25.

To be honest, Flux are probably taking the mickey a bit like ANY insurer will when you make changes mid-term. If you run it through a comparison site the difference would be nowhere near the £150 quoted, but you can't really change mid-term without a severe penalty. It sucks, but they will bleed you for everything they can. Its their job.

fatboy18

19,553 posts

240 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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God that shape still looks good. Ford should make a retro version of that car with modern suspension and upgrades
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