RE: WRX STI - zero to PH hero: PH Blog
RE: WRX STI - zero to PH hero: PH Blog
Friday 11th April 2014

WRX STI - zero to PH hero: PH Blog

Hacks on the WRX STI launch were ready to sign the death certificate ... and then it rained



A funny thing happened on the Subaru WRX STI launch. In the pause between shredding rubber on the rather mediocre handling track among clumps of cones on the Trosta Park circuit and heading out onto the Swedish hinterland the assembled hacks compared notes over coffees.

Things improved once we got out on the road
Things improved once we got out on the road
"Um, it's possibly a bit crap isn't it?" was the general, if reluctant, consensus. Which was a bit awkward. On paper and in the metal there never was much going for the WRX STI, those present with experience of the new Golf R (we've got it booked in...) saying how outdated it made the Subaru look and feel. As pointed out in the comments thread from the review, back in the day Imprezas were in a different performance league from anything else of comparable price. In the 15 years since hot hatches have got significantly faster, grippier and more luxurious but the WRX STI still has the same power output and all the familiar compromises in thirst, CO2 and the rest.

First impressions after those tyre torturing test track drives seemed to confirm what we feared. Namely that its time was long since passed and, beyond a dwindling number of die hards, who on earth would buy one?

But hang on a sec. Sure, Subaru hasn't changed the basic formula of the WRX STI much, simply evolving its trademark turbo boxer engine and symmetrical four-wheel drive with incremental updates and slightly flashier styling. Not sure anyone's moaned at Porsche doing the same with the 911 for the last 50 years. Nor does anyone say "Yeah, 458's OK but, really, a thirsty, normally aspirated V8 with no low-end torque? They've been doing that for decades. It hasn't really moved the game on when you can get an Audi RS6 with similar power for half the money and it's got room for the dog, the CO2 is much more reasonable and it won't upset the neighbours."

Rain and exchange rates make it relevant again
Rain and exchange rates make it relevant again
And you know what, much like the 911, Mercedes G-Wagen, Caterham Seven or other so-called anachronisms the WRX STI has its place. Thankfully for Subaru that turned out to be treacherously slippery roads in rural Sweden. And through a combination of excellent route planning and some fortuitously bad weather the revival of WR Blue, big wings and burbling exhausts was rescued from the brink of disaster.

Based on that first taste many in the party were preparing to administer the coup de grace to the fast Subaru. But by the time we reconvened after the road route the talk was much more generous. Sure, there's little logical case for the continued existence of the WRX STI; both the appeal and compromises are exactly the same as they always were but the competition has legged it into the distance.

But there's little logical case for many of the cars folk like us love. That the mainstream has taken this long to wake up and, by most measures, beat Subaru at its own game is in a way a backhanded compliment. In effect the WRX STI is now back where it started; it's ugly, expensive to run, feels cheap inside compared with other cars at the same price and most mainstream buyers don't get it. And on the right road, in the right conditions, goes like nothing else. Exactly the things those early adopters in the mid 90s loved, and what set it apart from the crowd at the time. And still does.

Dan

Vid from Subaru's Trosta Park handling track (contains excessive understeer)





   
   
   
   
   
   
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Evil.soup

Original Poster:

4,047 posts

234 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Not sure what to make of that then, I was hopeful for so much more, at least a car more competetive with todays hot hatches...........

flyingscot68

248 posts

168 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Still says Petrolhead more than almost any other four door saloon.

davidcharles

400 posts

223 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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i quite like it, almost feels "retro"

MikeG88

148 posts

162 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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flyingscot68 said:
Still says Petrolhead more than almost any other four door saloon.
Think youre right despite its emissions and tax etc etc etc

We need to remember the price of this thing for 300hp, though Id sooner a new Focus RS.

Baryonyx

18,280 posts

188 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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What a fantastic looking car. Some flair, and some character, to wash away the dull grey Euro-boxes.

Glade

4,512 posts

252 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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I don't think that article mentions how it actually drives.

Just that the stats don't make sense against a modern uber-hatch.

I want more Troy Queef, and less verbiage with no substance please PH.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

197 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Glade said:
I don't think that article mentions how it actually drives.

Just that the stats don't make sense against a modern uber-hatch.

I want more Troy Queef, and less verbiage with no substance please PH.
There's a link to the full review/roadtest in the opening paragraph! And here in case you missed it. Fill your boots!

Hopefully should flesh out the driving impressions side for you.

Cheers,

Dan

Glade

4,512 posts

252 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Ah hah... ok my apologies didn't realise it was just comment!

have a virtual beer on me beer

VladD

8,196 posts

294 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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It's a whole old thing.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

197 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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VladD said:
It's a whole old thing.
clap Very good!

Dan

renaultgeek

473 posts

177 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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dash in front of the driver & centre console looks quite nice to me, in front of the passenger and the inside of the doors, not so much

Clivey

5,681 posts

233 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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VladD said:
It's a whole old thing.
biggrin


havoc

33,341 posts

264 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Has the Impreza (yes, I know...) actually got uglier with each successive iteration???

(OK, granted, a v.4/5 is probably the best-looking classic)

Hellbound

2,515 posts

205 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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renaultgeek said:
dash in front of the driver & centre console looks quite nice to me, in front of the passenger and the inside of the doors, not so much
Exact same dash from the not-exactly-new XV cross over, so literally no 'new' thought has gone into it.

Anyway, since this is more of a relaxed commentary. I wonder what buyers will think if Audi decide to release a 4 door Audi TT as part of their 'growing the TT family' road map. A AWD sporty turbo'd saloon in saloon/coupe guise, 'that' new instrument screen, interior and clean engine sounds like a competitor to the STI to me. Even if it does end up costing a few bob more.

I'm going to feel embarrassed for Subaru soon.

No, no I take it all back. They've already sold two months of their allotted quota for this year in the UK. Baring in mind that Subaru predict sales of 1000 cars Europe-wide per year, you really have to wonder how many sales slots make up 2 months in the UK. Twenty cars? Fifty? F*ck me, it could be ten!

I also do-not subscribe to this myth that it is one of the few 'drivers' cars available. That bullst means nothing to me. That's like saying "Oh, it can't be a drivers car because it's made from cutting edge materials using the latest technology with an unbelievably clean engine and balanced, lightweight chassis." etc etc. Nonsense.

Brain fart rant over.

Smitters

4,414 posts

186 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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I just feel a bit embarrassed. It looks like nothing new. What about making it an RS4 Avant killer - wagon-style only, AWD, sonorous engine, B-road capable suspension with a hint of rear bias, comfy bucket seats and keeping the price sensible? Then you might forgive the dodgy and bland interior styling, poor mpg/CO2 and so on.

I think it needs to be the thinking petrolhead's alternative, not some low-volume half-arsed attempt to revive a sales-pitch that worked because we saw the likes of McRae and Burns tearing up Wales - something we'll never get again, sadly.

Madkat

1,147 posts

201 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Erm... I may be one of those die hard Subaru fans (after never owning one admittedly) but that might change soon. But a Four door saloon with a unique and charismatic engine (if you can say that about a four pot) and looks that only a mother or a die hard could love with four wheel drive (is this pointless nowadays?) and a pedigree that only a handful of its hot hatch competitors can truly match then yeah.

I'd buy one.....if i could afford it. But anyway this car appeals to a very narrow minded, and loyal fan-base. It may not be the best and may be shown up by an arguable inferior car with half the driven wheels but i couldn't give too hoots i'd much rather have an Impreza on my drive than a Volkswagen Golf.

If you say your just a namesake glory supporter then fine but hey i know what i like and know what i don't like and with the way modern hot hatches are going getting loaded with gadgets, gizmos and abbreviations up your jacksy i know i'd rather have the archaic car.

Zajda

135 posts

176 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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I don't think it can be hero anymore, it isn't that raw, light and nimble car it once was, and now it's also struggling with inferior engine. Ever since they figured out they can't pass emission limits outside domestic market with old 2 litre lump in sufficient state of tune, it was quite a disaster. Is there any 2,5 l STI which passed 100 000 km mark running original engine without major overhaul? Reliability issues aside, it's still less potent than current 2 l competition, lacking low down torque in particular. Quite eye opening elasticity comparsion between previous STI and 220 hp Octavia RS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIdx9HXxb8

Maybe 2.0 WRX could be the pick of the range.

Edited by Zajda on Friday 11th April 15:23

jamespink

1,218 posts

233 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Half arsed attempt at a return to form, sadly not good enough. Rubbish behind the times heavy consumption and high Co2 output, same shoddy interior, just not quick enough for the inflated price. Still look poor against a P1. Completely lost the plot or just can't be arsed.

StottyEvo

6,860 posts

192 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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It saddens me each and everytime I read an article about Evo's or Impreza's. The new models are not the Hero's they once were. IMO the GTR is the modern day hero.

havoc

33,341 posts

264 months

Friday 11th April 2014
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Zajda said:
Quite eye opening elasticity comparsion between previous STI and 220 hp Octavia RS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIdx9HXxb8
That's mainly to do with transmission losses (transverse ~15-18%, 4wd more like 25-30%, so arguably 180+whp vs 200+whp - not as big a difference as on paper) and the fact that you DO need big bhp differences to show much difference in the real world. It's also playing to fwd strengths*, i.e. dry weather, straight line, rolling start.

Won't be to do with fat/flat torque curves beyond the first 10-15mph, i.e. once you've got into the meat of each power-band.



* And I drive fwd day-to-day, albeit diff-equipped fwd...