Would you get a TVR Cerbera or a Z3M coupe?
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..if you were planning to keep it for a really long time?
I know they are rather different, but in other ways not - the early Z3Ms didn't have any traction control either, but I suppose they did have ABS.
I like chucking my cars around a bit and doing the odd track day and I'm thinking the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
I know they are rather different, but in other ways not - the early Z3Ms didn't have any traction control either, but I suppose they did have ABS.
I like chucking my cars around a bit and doing the odd track day and I'm thinking the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
bluepony said:
the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
People go on rollercoasters & bungee jump for fun, for the thrill of feeling like your life is rapidly coming to an end so i think the TVR is the same? 
The TVR would make every trip out an adventure, the Z4 would not - depends what you are looking for day to day
you cant really lose, both are brilliant individual cars that will make every journey an event, the Tiv slightly more so..the Z3M will be the better bet as a all season all purpose car..
Personally I would have the Z3M as Ive always loved it. I also think values may be stronger short to medium term than the Cerb
Personally I would have the Z3M as Ive always loved it. I also think values may be stronger short to medium term than the Cerb
bluepony said:
..if you were planning to keep it for a really long time?
I know they are rather different, but in other ways not - the early Z3Ms didn't have any traction control either, but I suppose they did have ABS.
I like chucking my cars around a bit and doing the odd track day and I'm thinking the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
I think what happens is, you overcome your initial trepidation with a Cerbera and wonder what all the fuss is, actually quite easy to drive, just like a normal car, what a relief. Then you push a bit and find its actually pretty forgiving, still cant see what the fuss was about, push a bit more, take a few liberties and thats when the Police have to call your dentist I know they are rather different, but in other ways not - the early Z3Ms didn't have any traction control either, but I suppose they did have ABS.
I like chucking my cars around a bit and doing the odd track day and I'm thinking the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
If you're serious about it being a keeper then you're less likely to drive it on the limit on track, I'd have thought?
More about good lines etc (be probably as quick though). In that case TVR comes more into frame.
Plus the noise.
Plus the appearance of the beast in the driveway....
TVR
More about good lines etc (be probably as quick though). In that case TVR comes more into frame.
Plus the noise.
Plus the appearance of the beast in the driveway....
TVR
I think with the BMW you can get away with just running and servicing it, bearing in mind they are getting on a bit, the TVR seems to require a more hands on approach and an owner than understands it better. kind of makes sense as one was a low volume specialist car with a bespoke engine and other parts and the other was the top model of a production range with lots of parts shared.
J4CKO said:
bluepony said:
..if you were planning to keep it for a really long time?
I know they are rather different, but in other ways not - the early Z3Ms didn't have any traction control either, but I suppose they did have ABS.
I like chucking my cars around a bit and doing the odd track day and I'm thinking the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
I think what happens is, you overcome your initial trepidation with a Cerbera and wonder what all the fuss is, actually quite easy to drive, just like a normal car, what a relief. Then you push a bit and find its actually pretty forgiving, still cant see what the fuss was about, push a bit more, take a few liberties and thats when the Police have to call your dentist I know they are rather different, but in other ways not - the early Z3Ms didn't have any traction control either, but I suppose they did have ABS.
I like chucking my cars around a bit and doing the odd track day and I'm thinking the TVR won't forgive that and would be simply too terrifying to unleash, and therefore not fun. Or am I wrong?
This guy is a PHer and races one:
http://www.cerberav8racing.co.uk/
Yes it's had a lot of prep work done but fundamentally the car isn't a donkey as far as track driving goes.
There are loads of videos showing them being hillclimbed and generally tracked, including a few showing them being spun off.
Having said all of that, the Z3M is a difficult car to dismiss. It'll come down to softer things I reckon. Cerbera values are fairly solid and good ones are fetching increasing amounts. They almost always stink of manly car smells and there's always something you can improve upon with them mechanically. I'd venture a guess that the Z3M would be easier to park up and forget until the next time you drive it, whereas you'll walk indoors thinking about the Cerbera (which may be a good thing or a bad thing).
Depends what you're looking for really.
I'll leave you with this: Cerberas will not succumb to rust. If it's a true keeper, then all running gear can be overhauled, the interior can be completely renewed and the fibreglass bodytub isn't going anywhere. If you have a rusty chassis you repair it with a welder and tubes and it'll be as-new. There are loads of photos in the Cerbera section of cars which look better than new underneath. That's not to say the Z3M will crumble, but you need to ensure that no rust takes hold because repairing a monocoque steel body to as-new standard is no simple task. That might not matter to you though? Not everyone is quite so anal!
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J4CKO said:
I think with the BMW you can get away with just running and servicing it, bearing in mind they are getting on a bit, the TVR seems to require a more hands on approach and an owner than understands it better. kind of makes sense as one was a low volume specialist car with a bespoke engine and other parts and the other was the top model of a production range with lots of parts shared.
^ and that. That's spot on too.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff