LSD v Welder v Open Diff
Discussion
Hi I would like to know which of these options is best for a car that is to be used as a daily and 1x DWYB (Drift What You Bring) per month ?
Also which of these is hardest to learn drifting in ?
Which is easiest to learn drifting in ?
Presumably welder is the easiest, then LSD, then open diff
Is it possible to drift well in open diff btw eg figures of 8, transitional drifts etc.
I am a total newbie wrt drifting btw.
Thanks very much :-)
Also which of these is hardest to learn drifting in ?
Which is easiest to learn drifting in ?
Presumably welder is the easiest, then LSD, then open diff
Is it possible to drift well in open diff btw eg figures of 8, transitional drifts etc.
I am a total newbie wrt drifting btw.
Thanks very much :-)
Benbay001 said:
You would be mad to weld a diff on a daily.
Why not try your car on a DWYB day and see how it goes?
An LSD is alot of money.
Could you elaborate a bit more please on why welder is bad idea ?Why not try your car on a DWYB day and see how it goes?
An LSD is alot of money.
As for LSD you need a LSD or welder for drifting don't you ?
Not looking to crash the car just learn about car control and RWD and to have fun on private track.
So is learning with welder easier than LSD ?
161BMW said:
Could you elaborate a bit more please on why welder is bad idea ?
On a car you're thinking of continuing to use daily?Do you know what a diff does?
Here's a starter :- http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm
This really is the wrong forum to ask about this but basically if you just want to drift and nothing else yes a welded diff is the way to go. But as you want it to be a daily driver it will drive you mad within 10 miles everyone will look at you stupid when parking due to both wheels turning at the same time making some horrendous noises.
Also what happens when you hit something in your daily car on a drift event it does happen so don't kid yourself it wont.
Also what happens when you hit something in your daily car on a drift event it does happen so don't kid yourself it wont.
Imho if you are going to weld it you might as well as buy a proper made to spool and have done with, at least it has one benefit of a slight reduction in rotating mass and of course you have your old diff to put back in if you want.
An air or electronic locking diff is another option.
An air or electronic locking diff is another option.
Herman Toothrot said:
Go karting.
Good idea, it's a lot of fun, probably cheaper than drifting too. Drifting in your only car is a bad idea, if you need to rely on that car to get places. Everyone who I know that has a drift car spends a fortune replacing things they've bent and broken, and their cars still looks like Fallujah bomb wagons.
Drift days can get pretty lairy, especially when performing tandem drifts in close proximity (known as "Hanging out the back of XXX", where XXX is the car in front), if one car moves out of sync a prang is highly likely. As with all track events, other people's mistakes that cause damage to your vehicle will almost inevitably be paid for out of your own pocket. Some of the drift day videos I've seen look like Mario Kart, only it's not Koopra Troopa shells flying about the track, it's body panels, gearbox bellhousing and con-rods as knackered old s
tboxes blow their engines and drop their oil from the stress of being ragged mercilessly on the limiter lap after lap.By all means, go drifting if it really appeals to you, but go in with your eyes open if you're doing it in your own car. It will be used up like an old Stretch Armstrong doll in no time.
Buy a different car if you want to drift. I speak from experience of owning an E30 325is with LSD. Was a decent track car but rubbish at drifting. Only had 170bhp out the factory so probably 150 now. You really want at least double this or to run the car on space savers.
Basically there was no adjustability. You had to get everything bang on or it just wasn't going to happen. Too few revs and it wouldn't spin the tyres, too many and you need to back off which then means you don't have the power to get back where you want. Essentially it's maximum attack or nothing and max attack was often too much.
The only time I got mine sliding nicely and predictably was on a bloody hot track day where the tyres had pretty much turned to mush.
Though having standard suspension was not ideal either, you will probably want to stiffen yours up for drifting.
Even the Drift King himself says low power cars are the hardest to drift but if you can master it in them you can do it in anything. Also he suggests an LSD.
Open diffs are a nightmare as they are not predictable or smooth and often only spin 1 wheel so no good for drifting. A welded diff does make things easiest but I would not run one in a daily driver due to the interesting handling and pain it will be in tight manoeuvres.
Basically there was no adjustability. You had to get everything bang on or it just wasn't going to happen. Too few revs and it wouldn't spin the tyres, too many and you need to back off which then means you don't have the power to get back where you want. Essentially it's maximum attack or nothing and max attack was often too much.
The only time I got mine sliding nicely and predictably was on a bloody hot track day where the tyres had pretty much turned to mush.
Though having standard suspension was not ideal either, you will probably want to stiffen yours up for drifting.
Even the Drift King himself says low power cars are the hardest to drift but if you can master it in them you can do it in anything. Also he suggests an LSD.
Open diffs are a nightmare as they are not predictable or smooth and often only spin 1 wheel so no good for drifting. A welded diff does make things easiest but I would not run one in a daily driver due to the interesting handling and pain it will be in tight manoeuvres.
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