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Talking to a guy i know does a bit of work with cars on the fly.
I was checking my oil beside him at the garage and he said
"i wouldn't bother with 5w 30, i just use this £10 stuff " and he pulled out some 5L of Car Lube 60k+ miles oil
Now i've always bought the oil it stated on the cap as it's not worth the risk of excess engine wear etc
Firstly I was wondering why anyone would use this and secondly. Why would Car Lube sell a product which claims to be suitable for all cars above 60k miles both Petrol and Diesel if it has the potential to damages and wear your engine.
I was checking my oil beside him at the garage and he said
"i wouldn't bother with 5w 30, i just use this £10 stuff " and he pulled out some 5L of Car Lube 60k+ miles oil
Now i've always bought the oil it stated on the cap as it's not worth the risk of excess engine wear etc
Firstly I was wondering why anyone would use this and secondly. Why would Car Lube sell a product which claims to be suitable for all cars above 60k miles both Petrol and Diesel if it has the potential to damages and wear your engine.
Edited by tbc on Tuesday 20th May 23:30
oil is oil, but it performance several functions, it lubricates, it cleans, it cools, it prevents corrosion, keeps seals from drying out and probably several others i forget.
for lubrication the sae grade, eg 5w30 is reasonably important, but it's a very weak measure of what and oil does, it is literally a cold pumpability test and warm viscosity check.
It's more important it has all the other properties right as well, especially on cars which might have 20k+ service intervals
for lubrication the sae grade, eg 5w30 is reasonably important, but it's a very weak measure of what and oil does, it is literally a cold pumpability test and warm viscosity check.
It's more important it has all the other properties right as well, especially on cars which might have 20k+ service intervals
Sorry
tbc said:
Talking to a guy i know does a bit of work with cars on the fly.
I was checking my oil beside him at the garage and he said
"i wouldn't bother with 5w 30, i just use this £10 stuff " and he pulled out some 5L of Car Lube 60k+ miles oil
Now i've always bought the oil it stated on the cap as it's not worth the risk of excess engine wear etc
Firstly I was wondering why anyone would use this and secondly. Why would Car Lube sell a product which claims to be suitable for all cars above 60k miles both Petrol and Diesel if it has the potential to damages and wear your engine.
Not sure if this is just a wind up posting, or a serious one, but this does not seem to be the right way to go (especially for piston headers who it seems, in the main care about their cars)I was checking my oil beside him at the garage and he said
"i wouldn't bother with 5w 30, i just use this £10 stuff " and he pulled out some 5L of Car Lube 60k+ miles oil
Now i've always bought the oil it stated on the cap as it's not worth the risk of excess engine wear etc
Firstly I was wondering why anyone would use this and secondly. Why would Car Lube sell a product which claims to be suitable for all cars above 60k miles both Petrol and Diesel if it has the potential to damages and wear your engine.
Edited by tbc on Tuesday 20th May 23:30
Car, Engine, and oil manufacturers all spend years, and a millions of pounds on research and development into their products. and along comes a bloke who does a bit of work on cars 'on the fly'
who reckons that cheapo oil is OK to use? Sorry but I know who I would prefer to go with when it comes to putting oil into an expensive engine.
20 years ago maybe. Today you don't just need the right grade, you need the right type for your car. Even halfords own brand comes in manufacturer specific variants.
Modern cars running on the right oil will have very little mechanical wear st 60k miles. Its is just run in, not worn out.
Modern cars running on the right oil will have very little mechanical wear st 60k miles. Its is just run in, not worn out.
98elise said:
20 years ago maybe. Today you don't just need the right grade, you need the right type for your car. Even halfords own brand comes in manufacturer specific variants.
Modern cars running on the right oil will have very little mechanical wear st 60k miles. Its is just run in, not worn out.
Not to mention that if a car is still in its warranty period, and it is found that an out of specification oil has been used in it, following a failure (for whatever reason) That would be all that was needed for the manufactures to hold up their hands and say, sorry not our problem, the vehicle was not maintained properly.Modern cars running on the right oil will have very little mechanical wear st 60k miles. Its is just run in, not worn out.
Pan Pan said:
Not to mention that if a car is still in its warranty period, and it is found that an out of specification oil has been used in it, following a failure (for whatever reason) That would be all that was needed for the manufactures to hold up their hands and say, sorry not our problem, the vehicle was not maintained properly.
I thought they would have to show that the 'different' oil was relevant. Can they really refuse a gearbox or steering wrack claim on the grounds that the oil in the engine was the wrong grade?You do have to wonder what kind of car "a guy i know does a bit of work with cars on the fly" gets his hands on.
I can't figure out what requirements an engine of over 60,000 miles has that are different to any other engine.
If I was still driving my old Mini I would use it as it leaked like a sieve but I wouldn't use it in anything I cared about.
I can't figure out what requirements an engine of over 60,000 miles has that are different to any other engine.
If I was still driving my old Mini I would use it as it leaked like a sieve but I wouldn't use it in anything I cared about.
tbc said:
Firstly I was wondering why anyone would use this and secondly. Why would Car Lube sell a product which claims to be suitable for all cars above 60k miles both Petrol and Diesel if it has the potential to damages and wear your engine.
1st - because it's cheap.Edited by tbc on Tuesday 20th May 23:30
2nd - Car Lube don't make such claims
next..............
balls-out said:
I thought they would have to show that the 'different' oil was relevant. Can they really refuse a gearbox or steering wrack claim on the grounds that the oil in the engine was the wrong grade?
They can and do. Under Block Exemption rules, cars under the OEM warranty can be serviced using parts that are of equivalent quality (or words to that effect). The manufacturer of the car has to prove the oil was the wrong type (be it engine, gearbox, PAS etc) although this is not an expensive test afaik. It is certainly less cost to do that than a new engine/gearbox/steering rack etc. If a warranty provider can use an excuse to not pay out, then they will, fact of life. Not all oils are equal, but flinging a few litres of this in a high mileage Pug 206 worth £500 is fine, better than leaving the same stuff in thats been there for thousands of miles, or letting it run dry, it does say that at least the car has had some attention
I bet some PH'er take their P and J to garages and get taken in by a plush reception, and in the back, they are lashing this, or similar stuff in.
Realistically, how many cars actually end up scrapped due to cheap engine oil ?there is usually another reason that finishes a car off, this might be the difference between the engine doing 200,000 or, on top of the range stuff, another few thousand, largely academic if the car was scrapped at 120,000 because it failed its MOT and was generally a dustbin.
I am not sure what is preferable, a car being run for 20,000 miles on super duper fully synth or someone changing the oil for this stuff every 6 thousand ? obviously, bearing in mind it being correct for the engine.
I bet some PH'er take their P and J to garages and get taken in by a plush reception, and in the back, they are lashing this, or similar stuff in.
Realistically, how many cars actually end up scrapped due to cheap engine oil ?there is usually another reason that finishes a car off, this might be the difference between the engine doing 200,000 or, on top of the range stuff, another few thousand, largely academic if the car was scrapped at 120,000 because it failed its MOT and was generally a dustbin.
I am not sure what is preferable, a car being run for 20,000 miles on super duper fully synth or someone changing the oil for this stuff every 6 thousand ? obviously, bearing in mind it being correct for the engine.
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