Tax The Rich (no, not them)
Discussion
This should go down well 
http://www.highwaysindustry.com/News/Road-Tax-the-...
Too long, didn't read:
Track every body, tax people more for short journeys, more during the summer, more when it's busy, more for 'gas guzzlers' and most importantly, tax based on income
All through a simple system of tracking every car in the country, linking that to HMRC for income, store all of this information, compare it to trends of use, weather, congestion and journey length, and use this vast system to tax people more 'progressively'...
Why don't they just put the money on petrol, and all of their silly aims are fulfilled, oh except they can't tax 'wealthy' people more...
Source report (from a London based company, what a surprise):
http://www.ippr.org/assets/media/publications/pdf/...
Personally I haven't read the ippr report, I assume it'd make me angry.
http://www.highwaysindustry.com/News/Road-Tax-the-...
Too long, didn't read:
Track every body, tax people more for short journeys, more during the summer, more when it's busy, more for 'gas guzzlers' and most importantly, tax based on income
All through a simple system of tracking every car in the country, linking that to HMRC for income, store all of this information, compare it to trends of use, weather, congestion and journey length, and use this vast system to tax people more 'progressively'...
Why don't they just put the money on petrol, and all of their silly aims are fulfilled, oh except they can't tax 'wealthy' people more...
Source report (from a London based company, what a surprise):
http://www.ippr.org/assets/media/publications/pdf/...
Personally I haven't read the ippr report, I assume it'd make me angry.
"Encourage people to use a bicycle or walk"
Those like my 76 year old father, presumably, with his half ounce lung capacity and his home in a valley, so everywhere is uphill and no pavements and bringing back a hundred quids worth of shopping from Sainsbury's and.....
Falls on its arse straight away. People use cars because the world has been designed around having cars. That's how life works these days. Merely charging people more assumes that we use cars because we're lazy and it's cheap. That's simply not true.
This is the problem we have when all those who make the decisions live in London. They presume that everywhere is like London. They can't conceive of a place where there isn't a Tesco megastore every 500 yards and 75 buses an hour and an underground network and cycle lanes and 3,000,000 taxis and 24 hour everything. They don't even know that places like Dartmoor exist, places where it can be a 30 mile round trip just for a pint of milk. They have no concept of a village shop, staffed by volunteers, which is open for four hours a week (12-2, Tuesday and Thursday). Places where getting a take away isn't an option because they won't deliver and you can't drive it home because it'll be stone cold by the time it arrives.
Cars are tools. Essential tools. It was the powers that be who made it so. I certainly wasn't consulted and nor were you. You can't now whip the rug from under our feet and start saying that we shouldn't all be so reliant upon our cars. That's like cutting off the piped water supply and telling people that they're to be taxed if they want it back because they should be using alternatives like s
tting in the Thames. That's not how the world works anymore, because we've designed it around having piped water. If you want to ban cars, then please, feel free. However, we'll need to breed about 25,000,000 horses and start building carts again. Either that, or we're going to have to rip down every town and city in the country and redesign them so that everything is within walking distance, even for my dear old Dad.
Simon.
Those like my 76 year old father, presumably, with his half ounce lung capacity and his home in a valley, so everywhere is uphill and no pavements and bringing back a hundred quids worth of shopping from Sainsbury's and.....
Falls on its arse straight away. People use cars because the world has been designed around having cars. That's how life works these days. Merely charging people more assumes that we use cars because we're lazy and it's cheap. That's simply not true.
This is the problem we have when all those who make the decisions live in London. They presume that everywhere is like London. They can't conceive of a place where there isn't a Tesco megastore every 500 yards and 75 buses an hour and an underground network and cycle lanes and 3,000,000 taxis and 24 hour everything. They don't even know that places like Dartmoor exist, places where it can be a 30 mile round trip just for a pint of milk. They have no concept of a village shop, staffed by volunteers, which is open for four hours a week (12-2, Tuesday and Thursday). Places where getting a take away isn't an option because they won't deliver and you can't drive it home because it'll be stone cold by the time it arrives.
Cars are tools. Essential tools. It was the powers that be who made it so. I certainly wasn't consulted and nor were you. You can't now whip the rug from under our feet and start saying that we shouldn't all be so reliant upon our cars. That's like cutting off the piped water supply and telling people that they're to be taxed if they want it back because they should be using alternatives like s
tting in the Thames. That's not how the world works anymore, because we've designed it around having piped water. If you want to ban cars, then please, feel free. However, we'll need to breed about 25,000,000 horses and start building carts again. Either that, or we're going to have to rip down every town and city in the country and redesign them so that everything is within walking distance, even for my dear old Dad. Simon.
The trouble with the sentiment above is that's it's not sustainable. The roads are clogged up and oil prices are rising.
You are right, many car journeys are essential but many are not. I live just over half a mile from the local high street and see o end of my neighbours driving there. A small few may need to, most don't. The roads are clogged up. Imagine how much better it would be for those drivers who 'need' top be in the car if the roads we freed up but those that don't?
I have 2 cars and a bike - I use the bike more often and walk more often than get in the cars. I use the cars when It is necessary to have a car. How does the dad in the post above feel when he can't park because all the spaces are taken up by people who live 5 minutes walk away? Or because it now takes an hour to get into town due to all the other cars on the road?
You are right, many car journeys are essential but many are not. I live just over half a mile from the local high street and see o end of my neighbours driving there. A small few may need to, most don't. The roads are clogged up. Imagine how much better it would be for those drivers who 'need' top be in the car if the roads we freed up but those that don't?
I have 2 cars and a bike - I use the bike more often and walk more often than get in the cars. I use the cars when It is necessary to have a car. How does the dad in the post above feel when he can't park because all the spaces are taken up by people who live 5 minutes walk away? Or because it now takes an hour to get into town due to all the other cars on the road?
LooneyTunes said:
Wonder why the pic of Alan Sugar? Is his driver particularly rich?
It's so that people think this won't apply to them! They want you to think that only people like "Them" Alan Sugar will pay more and that we, "Us" will pay less. By implication we're all on one side and those few toffs over there are scoffing all the sweets, let's get 'em. The reality of course is that we're not "Us", we're the frikking cattle.sorry, cynical mood today
ferrariF50lover said:
"Encourage people to use a bicycle or walk"
Those like my 76 year old father, presumably, with his half ounce lung capacity and his home in a valley, so everywhere is uphill and no pavements and bringing back a hundred quids worth of shopping from Sainsbury's and.....
Falls on its arse straight away. People use cars because the world has been designed around having cars. That's how life works these days. Merely charging people more assumes that we use cars because we're lazy and it's cheap. That's simply not true.
This is the problem we have when all those who make the decisions live in London. They presume that everywhere is like London. They can't conceive of a place where there isn't a Tesco megastore every 500 yards and 75 buses an hour and an underground network and cycle lanes and 3,000,000 taxis and 24 hour everything. They don't even know that places like Dartmoor exist, places where it can be a 30 mile round trip just for a pint of milk. They have no concept of a village shop, staffed by volunteers, which is open for four hours a week (12-2, Tuesday and Thursday). Places where getting a take away isn't an option because they won't deliver and you can't drive it home because it'll be stone cold by the time it arrives.
Cars are tools. Essential tools. It was the powers that be who made it so. I certainly wasn't consulted and nor were you. You can't now whip the rug from under our feet and start saying that we shouldn't all be so reliant upon our cars. That's like cutting off the piped water supply and telling people that they're to be taxed if they want it back because they should be using alternatives like stting in the Thames. That's not how the world works anymore, because we've designed it around having piped water. If you want to ban cars, then please, feel free. However, we'll need to breed about 25,000,000 horses and start building carts again. Either that, or we're going to have to rip down every town and city in the country and redesign them so that everything is within walking distance, even for my dear old Dad.
Simon.
^^^ brilliant summation.Those like my 76 year old father, presumably, with his half ounce lung capacity and his home in a valley, so everywhere is uphill and no pavements and bringing back a hundred quids worth of shopping from Sainsbury's and.....
Falls on its arse straight away. People use cars because the world has been designed around having cars. That's how life works these days. Merely charging people more assumes that we use cars because we're lazy and it's cheap. That's simply not true.
This is the problem we have when all those who make the decisions live in London. They presume that everywhere is like London. They can't conceive of a place where there isn't a Tesco megastore every 500 yards and 75 buses an hour and an underground network and cycle lanes and 3,000,000 taxis and 24 hour everything. They don't even know that places like Dartmoor exist, places where it can be a 30 mile round trip just for a pint of milk. They have no concept of a village shop, staffed by volunteers, which is open for four hours a week (12-2, Tuesday and Thursday). Places where getting a take away isn't an option because they won't deliver and you can't drive it home because it'll be stone cold by the time it arrives.
Cars are tools. Essential tools. It was the powers that be who made it so. I certainly wasn't consulted and nor were you. You can't now whip the rug from under our feet and start saying that we shouldn't all be so reliant upon our cars. That's like cutting off the piped water supply and telling people that they're to be taxed if they want it back because they should be using alternatives like s
tting in the Thames. That's not how the world works anymore, because we've designed it around having piped water. If you want to ban cars, then please, feel free. However, we'll need to breed about 25,000,000 horses and start building carts again. Either that, or we're going to have to rip down every town and city in the country and redesign them so that everything is within walking distance, even for my dear old Dad. Simon.
London is like a different country these days.
Although I am lucky enough not to commute any more, in order to maintain contact with my daughter I need a car. There are many similar examples. My Mum is 76 and couldn't ride a bike any more. There are no shops in her village, nor in the next one.
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