Evo X Registered 2011 September DVLA demands MOT
Discussion
Has anyone else run into this weirdness?
My Evo X is, like all the others, manufactured 2008. It was not registered and put on the road until September 2011. I renewed road tax online, which the website accepted, then when I didn't receive the tax disc by post I called the DVLA and found it had refused the tax disc issue because the car was manufactured more than 3 years ago.
After some DVLA-VOSA ping pong, I was offered 3 options:
1) Stop using my car, SORN it and request a review of the situation
2) Get an MOT and tax the car before we fine you
3) there is no option 3, you're our b1tch on this one.
I chose option 2 (see option 3, I need my car day to day which is why I bought it and why I pay road tax)
I would be surprised if they have been demanding MOTs from all Evo X owners since 2010. The DVLA were officious and unhelpful, quoting that the date taken in guidance would "usually be" date of manufacture. When I pointed out that manufacture dates were "usually" fictitiously post-dated by manufacturers to approximately coincide with reg date and that this was an unusual situation they reacted in the typical bureaucratic manner - say the same thing again, quoting the same guidance and then going all floppy in an option 3 kind of way.
Any suggestions? (other than, welcome to the option 3 lounge, get comfy you're here forever...) :-)
My Evo X is, like all the others, manufactured 2008. It was not registered and put on the road until September 2011. I renewed road tax online, which the website accepted, then when I didn't receive the tax disc by post I called the DVLA and found it had refused the tax disc issue because the car was manufactured more than 3 years ago.
After some DVLA-VOSA ping pong, I was offered 3 options:
1) Stop using my car, SORN it and request a review of the situation
2) Get an MOT and tax the car before we fine you
3) there is no option 3, you're our b1tch on this one.
I chose option 2 (see option 3, I need my car day to day which is why I bought it and why I pay road tax)
I would be surprised if they have been demanding MOTs from all Evo X owners since 2010. The DVLA were officious and unhelpful, quoting that the date taken in guidance would "usually be" date of manufacture. When I pointed out that manufacture dates were "usually" fictitiously post-dated by manufacturers to approximately coincide with reg date and that this was an unusual situation they reacted in the typical bureaucratic manner - say the same thing again, quoting the same guidance and then going all floppy in an option 3 kind of way.
Any suggestions? (other than, welcome to the option 3 lounge, get comfy you're here forever...) :-)
The official line:
"Vehicles should receive their first M.O.T. when they reach 3 years of age.
If a car is registered with no prior use on the road, the M.O.T. will be required three years after the date of manufacture. For example, a car registered "from new" on 25th April 2000 will require its M.O.T. no later than 25th April 2003. If a car is used prior to registration, as would be the case with an import, the M.O.T. will be required three years from the end of the year of manufacture. For example a car manufactured at any time in 2000 will require an M.O.T. no later than 31st December 2003. There is no grace period given after these dates."
So since yours was manufactured in 2008, an MOT would be required from 2011, irrespective of whether it was registered or not. I don't think there's much you can do about it unfortunately.
"Vehicles should receive their first M.O.T. when they reach 3 years of age.
If a car is registered with no prior use on the road, the M.O.T. will be required three years after the date of manufacture. For example, a car registered "from new" on 25th April 2000 will require its M.O.T. no later than 25th April 2003. If a car is used prior to registration, as would be the case with an import, the M.O.T. will be required three years from the end of the year of manufacture. For example a car manufactured at any time in 2000 will require an M.O.T. no later than 31st December 2003. There is no grace period given after these dates."
So since yours was manufactured in 2008, an MOT would be required from 2011, irrespective of whether it was registered or not. I don't think there's much you can do about it unfortunately.
M030ef00 said:
My Evo X is, like all the others, manufactured 2008. It was not registered and put on the road until September 2011.
Does the V5C give date of manufacture as 2008? If so, then there's your answer.M030ef00 said:
The DVLA were officious and unhelpful, quoting that the date taken in guidance would "usually be" date of manufacture. When I pointed out that manufacture dates were "usually" fictitiously post-dated by manufacturers to approximately coincide with reg date
TBF, it's not "usual" for a car to sit around unregistered for three years.Edited by TooMany2cvs on Thursday 22 May 18:46
The idea of an MOT is to establish in a regular and certified manner that wear and tear after three years of road use have not rendered the vehicle unroadworthy. Otherwise why not have MOT every year after manufacture, new or not? This car of mine was first used at registration but should theoretically have been MOT'd before being bought as a new car, which makes a mockery of the MOT rules. Though I must admit, the fact I had to pay MOT fees thereby funding this excellent government a few pennies more, is ample consolation...
Monty Python said:
So since yours was manufactured in 2008, an MOT would be required from 2011, irrespective of whether it was registered or not. I don't think there's much you can do about it unfortunately.
I don't see how this is the case. One of my cars was registered in December 2001. It was built in August 2001.
If what you say is the case, why is its annual MOT anniversary in December? Why was its first MOT in December 2004?
Most people don't even know how to find out when the car they had was actually manufacturer. It's always date of first registration usually, unless its a grey import?
M030ef00 said:
The idea of an MOT is to establish in a regular and certified manner that wear and tear after three years of road use have not rendered the vehicle unroadworthy. Otherwise why not have MOT every year after manufacture, new or not? This car of mine was first used at registration but should theoretically have been MOT'd before being bought as a new car, which makes a mockery of the MOT rules. Though I must admit, the fact I had to pay MOT fees thereby funding this excellent government a few pennies more, is ample consolation...
Is your car an 08 plate or a 61 plate?M030ef00 said:
Though I must admit, the fact I had to pay MOT fees thereby funding this excellent government a few pennies more, is ample consolation...
Exactly how much of that 55 legally-capped maximum fee for 45 min of workshop time do you think reaches the Gov't...?But, either way, even if the MOT _was_ determined by first reg date, that's... four months away. Woo.
M030ef00 said:
The idea of an MOT is to establish in a regular and certified manner that wear and tear after three years of road use have not rendered the vehicle unroadworthy. Otherwise why not have MOT every year after manufacture, new or not? This car of mine was first used at registration but should theoretically have been MOT'd before being bought as a new car, which makes a mockery of the MOT rules. Though I must admit, the fact I had to pay MOT fees thereby funding this excellent government a few pennies more, is ample consolation...
Lets be honest, some of the crap ford used to make was rusting before it got to the customer, it wouldn't be surprising for that to fail an mot at 5 years even if it had only been registered 2 years ago.M030ef00 said:
Though I must admit, the fact I had to pay MOT fees thereby funding this excellent government a few pennies more, is ample consolation...
Don't worry, you've given the government nothing, out of the 54 or so MOT fee, a company called Atoz gets about 2, the garage has the rest.M030ef00 said:
Many thanks to replies
It's a 61.
DVLA are t0ssers. :-)
Yes, yes they are!! I don't know what the story was with your Evo, but there are often stories about odd cars being registered several months or even years after production had ceased. I'd always believed that first MOT was due three years after first registration, nothing to do with manufacture. Presumably if it had been a car still in production, the DVLA would have been none the wiser - maybe you wouldn't either!It's a 61.
DVLA are t0ssers. :-)
Looking on the bright side, at least you've only lost a few months.
Frankthered said:
M030ef00 said:
Many thanks to replies
It's a 61.
DVLA are t0ssers. :-)
Yes, yes they are!! I don't know what the story was with your Evo, but there are often stories about odd cars being registered several months or even years after production had ceased. I'd always believed that first MOT was due three years after first registration, nothing to do with manufacture. Presumably if it had been a car still in production, the DVLA would have been none the wiser - maybe you wouldn't either!It's a 61.
DVLA are t0ssers. :-)
Looking on the bright side, at least you've only lost a few months.
You are asking that your car lives for 6 years before getting an MOT? And based on the same argument you are using, a newly registered but manufactured in 1999 car should be able to drive until 2017 until it gets an MOT?
I think I'm backing the DVLA on this one.
Fox- said:
I don't see how this is the case.
One of my cars was registered in December 2001. It was built in August 2001.
If what you say is the case, why is its annual MOT anniversary in December? Why was its first MOT in December 2004?
Most people don't even know how to find out when the car they had was actually manufacturer. It's always date of first registration usually, unless its a grey import?
If they were built and registered in the same year then it doesn't apply - it's only when they were built and registered in different years that this comes in to play.One of my cars was registered in December 2001. It was built in August 2001.
If what you say is the case, why is its annual MOT anniversary in December? Why was its first MOT in December 2004?
Most people don't even know how to find out when the car they had was actually manufacturer. It's always date of first registration usually, unless its a grey import?
Monty Python said:
Fox- said:
I don't see how this is the case.
One of my cars was registered in December 2001. It was built in August 2001.
If what you say is the case, why is its annual MOT anniversary in December? Why was its first MOT in December 2004?
Most people don't even know how to find out when the car they had was actually manufacturer. It's always date of first registration usually, unless its a grey import?
If they were built and registered in the same year then it doesn't apply - it's only when they were built and registered in different years that this comes in to play.One of my cars was registered in December 2001. It was built in August 2001.
If what you say is the case, why is its annual MOT anniversary in December? Why was its first MOT in December 2004?
Most people don't even know how to find out when the car they had was actually manufacturer. It's always date of first registration usually, unless its a grey import?
On the other hand is the OP's car an import that was used abroad before coming here?
MOT rules say that the first MOT is 3 years after the date of first use but if there is no evidence of when it was first used then it has to be 3 years from manufacture.
I don't know what the situation with car manufacturing is now but if you go back to the 80s and 90s new cars could sit around in fields for a few years before they were eventually sold, something to do with massaging manufacturing figures not registrations.
Monty Python said:
If they were built and registered in the same year then it doesn't apply - it's only when they were built and registered in different years that this comes in to play.
Alright, fine, our old 530d... built October 2001, registered February 2002. MOT'd for the first time in... February 2005.I can't see how a 61 plate car should need MOTing before September 2014.
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