Would you be happy with this repair?
Would you be happy with this repair?
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Snikks

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5 posts

166 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Hi All,

Long-time lurker here, breaking out with a first post to ask advice.

I dropped my Ford Puma off at a Ford approved garage today for a timing belt, water pump and drive belt change. At 4 pm I rang them and they told me they were "just putting it back together, be done in about an hour". At 5 pm I receive a call from them to say that they have "hit a few snags, are behind on the work and the car won't be ready until Tuesday but you can have a courtesy car for the bank holiday weekend". Upon further investigation, it turns out that some bolts were seized when trying to remove the rocker cover, and in undoing these they have cracked the inlet manifold. They have, however, repaired it with "some proper liquid metal" and they will guarantee the work.

Is this a reasonable repair? If I make sure that they put the guarantee in writing? Or should I insist upon a replacement part or some other repair before I pay for the work/return the courtesy car?

dave_s13

14,026 posts

298 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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That sounds dodgy as fook to me.

valiant

14,140 posts

189 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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st like this can happen unfortunately. If they're willing to put the guarantee in writing for a decent amount of time, I'd personally accept it. Might want to try for a cheeky discount though!

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

192 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Were they using a sledge hammer to get the cam cover off ?

I suspect an inlet manifold isn't available new from Ford anymore.

steveo3002

11,201 posts

203 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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doesnt sound very good , maybe have a look and see if its just a little corner came off or something maybe you can accept it

if its around the bolt holes or sealing flanges then you want a new one fitting , or good used if none are available

tbc

3,017 posts

204 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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new inlet manifold would be the least i would expect

No matter how much they try to bodge it up it'll never be the same and could crack again.

Should be reasonable to get as long as it's not a Racing Puma then they'll be in for a shock.


Edited by tbc on Friday 23 May 19:25

Hairy Bob

84 posts

175 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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They could get one for £30 from a scrapyard, does not seem worth bodging with chemical metal.

backwoodsman

2,508 posts

158 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I would want a new, or good used part fitting.

*Al*

3,830 posts

251 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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If they didn't tell you then you'd be none the wiser, they seem to have been honest so I see no reason not to take a written guarantee?

balls-out

3,794 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I guess it's up to you what you want to pay for. It's your aged car that has seized parts.

BBS-LM

3,978 posts

253 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Snikks said:
Hi All,

Long-time lurker here, breaking out with a first post to ask advice.

I dropped my Ford Puma off at a Ford approved garage today for a timing belt, water pump and drive belt change. At 4 pm I rang them and they told me they were "just putting it back together, be done in about an hour". At 5 pm I receive a call from them to say that they have "hit a few snags, are behind on the work and the car won't be ready until Tuesday but you can have a courtesy car for the bank holiday weekend". Upon further investigation, it turns out that some bolts were seized when trying to remove the rocker cover, and in undoing these they have cracked the inlet manifold. They have, however, repaired it with "some proper liquid metal" and they will guarantee the work.

Is this a reasonable repair? If I make sure that they put the guarantee in writing? Or should I insist upon a replacement part or some other repair before I pay for the work/return the courtesy car?
Sod that, if they have damaged the manifold then it need replacing, you gave them a car in fully working order.

Jasandjules

72,580 posts

258 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I would not be happy with a repaired part. I would want reconditioned at least.

dave_s13

14,026 posts

298 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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*Al* said:
If they didn't tell you then you'd be none the wiser, they seem to have been honest so I see no reason not to take a written guarantee?
What about this reason.

It could very likely crack again meaning all the hassle involved in getting it fixed.

Or

The garage could fold in the near future and be unable to honour the deal.

fk that, they broke it, and they should fix it properly by replacing with a used but sound part from a scrappy.

007 VXR

64,187 posts

216 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Get one from a scrap yard and get then to give you a discount to cover the cost.

BOBTEE

1,034 posts

193 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Just how does changing belts end in a broken manifold?!

Mastodon2

14,323 posts

194 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I'd want another manifold on there, one that hadn't been bodged. Let them go and find one from a scrapyard, and make sure they waive the finding and fitting fees. You gave them a car with an undamaged manifold and you expect it back with an undamaged manifold, not one that's been bodged up with chemical metal.

P I Staker

3,308 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Things like this happen, working on older cars is difficult, things are rusty, bolts are seized, plastic is brittle...

When you go to pick up the car inspect the repair and decide if you're happy with it. If you're not perhaps come to a compromise where you supply the replacement and they fit it or something similar.

HaloGen8

1,413 posts

158 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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BOBTEE said:
Just how does changing belts end in a broken manifold?!
^^^This!!

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

179 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I really can't see how the fck they've managed that!?

It's on 10mm bolts holding the Cam cover on.. they're torqued up to 10nm..again. how the fk!?

talksthetorque

10,821 posts

164 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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HaloGen8 said:
BOBTEE said:
Just how does changing belts end in a broken manifold?!
^^^This!!
Either they were hanging off the seized bolts and the manifold got damaged when it freed off or rounded, or they applied too much heat in the wrong direction.

Ford garage to call in the morning, get a price, and if there's none available, ring some scrappys. Get them to fit. It may have had the start of a hairline crack before you took it there and they just helped it on its way. They've owned up, fixed it and offered a guarantee. Id' say that's more than some of them.

Don't worry yourself about this though , as it is a 90s ford and will have rusted away by the time the chemical metal fails wink