Homes with more than one car
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If it's "your" space, then it doesn't matter how many cars the neighbours have, they have no right to park there. If, however, "your" space is just a bit of the public highway you are used to parking on, then that's tough - anyone can park there.
Besides, one household - 2 breadwinners, working in different locations, is likely to require 2 cars -it's hardly selfish - their taxes are paying for the roads you drive on.
Besides, one household - 2 breadwinners, working in different locations, is likely to require 2 cars -it's hardly selfish - their taxes are paying for the roads you drive on.
Modern planning is moronic - garages too small to get a car in, tiny gardens, tiny driveways and narrow streets with nowhere to park - never mind 2/3 cars - what if some friends come over for a birthday or something? Fortunately I don't have this problem - it was one of my criteria in selecting a house (along with a decent garage or space to build one) 
Government rules are forcing developers to provide inadequate parking in order to boost public transport usage/cycling/walking.
Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
V8forweekends said:
Modern planning is moronic - garages too small to get a car in, tiny gardens, tiny driveways and narrow streets with nowhere to park - never mind 2/3 cars - what if some friends come over for a birthday or something? Fortunately I don't have this problem - it was one of my criteria in selecting a house (along with a decent garage or space to build one)
Exactly that. OP: are you my neighbour ;-)
I have 1 allocated space with my house but between me & my brother we have several cars. Three live at the house one in my space and two in neighbours spaces who don't own cars, the others in rented garages but as mentioned above not all cars will fit in a dinky council garage -certainly nothing bigger than a Golf (mk3 early 90s era not a new mk7!!)
Traditionally, most suburban areas had a pleasant enough unwritten policy that you parked on the driveway and guests parked outside the house they were visiting.
In areas where there were no driveways then people just parked outside their own house, and neighbours tried not to park in each others 'spots'.
I'd say that there are still some leafy areas of this green and pleasant land areas where this is the case.
But, with more and more people sharing houses and each if them having multiple cars things are getting a bit less polite.
I'm lucky enough to have a big drive and no on road parking.
But I have friends who often find that there are three or four cars parked around and opposite their drive entrance making it impossible to use.
I would say the problem is that the law doesn't force people to play nice with each other. So a few idiots spoil it for others.
In areas where there were no driveways then people just parked outside their own house, and neighbours tried not to park in each others 'spots'.
I'd say that there are still some leafy areas of this green and pleasant land areas where this is the case.
But, with more and more people sharing houses and each if them having multiple cars things are getting a bit less polite.
I'm lucky enough to have a big drive and no on road parking.
But I have friends who often find that there are three or four cars parked around and opposite their drive entrance making it impossible to use.
I would say the problem is that the law doesn't force people to play nice with each other. So a few idiots spoil it for others.
I live in a house where I grew up in the 1980s. It was my parents house and we had one car, as did everyone back then. It is a road of large Edwardian terrace houses with pedestrian walk ways flanked by houses at right angles.
In the 80s there was room for one car per house on the street, plus space for cars from the pedestrian only houses. Few of these homes have big front gardens that could be used as a drive, but most have single or double garages at the back.
The first problem. Cars have got bigger. Te old double garages can only house one modern Car not an MPV or 4x4. The single garages which were built for Austin 1100s but which in the 80s could take a Montego or Sierra, are too small for today's Volvos, Audis Jags BMWs and Fords. Of my neighbours, only an MGB, an Exige and a Fiat Panda live in the garages.
In The 80s we had big Volvo 7 series cars, the neighbours Carltons. Both tiny compared with the Toureg and Q7 that now routinely park up.
Add to that, now more people have 2 cars. My neighbours have 4 motors, as do several households where the kids still live at home.
I am lucky, I have one of only 3 houses in the road on big corner sites where I have made a generous gravel drive for my two cars. I could probably accomodate an Abarth 500 too (present dinner discussion with my wife)
The fact is the houses were designed and built in 1901 by planners who put them close to a recently opened urban railway. They would never have considered mass car ownership. You could argue that they are not fit for purpous today.
It is the same with more modern homes. My in-laws 1960s semi's garage last saw a Ford Puma. Everything since even modest MPVs have been too big. When people come to visit, they have to park in the road.
In the 80s there was room for one car per house on the street, plus space for cars from the pedestrian only houses. Few of these homes have big front gardens that could be used as a drive, but most have single or double garages at the back.
The first problem. Cars have got bigger. Te old double garages can only house one modern Car not an MPV or 4x4. The single garages which were built for Austin 1100s but which in the 80s could take a Montego or Sierra, are too small for today's Volvos, Audis Jags BMWs and Fords. Of my neighbours, only an MGB, an Exige and a Fiat Panda live in the garages.
In The 80s we had big Volvo 7 series cars, the neighbours Carltons. Both tiny compared with the Toureg and Q7 that now routinely park up.
Add to that, now more people have 2 cars. My neighbours have 4 motors, as do several households where the kids still live at home.
I am lucky, I have one of only 3 houses in the road on big corner sites where I have made a generous gravel drive for my two cars. I could probably accomodate an Abarth 500 too (present dinner discussion with my wife)
The fact is the houses were designed and built in 1901 by planners who put them close to a recently opened urban railway. They would never have considered mass car ownership. You could argue that they are not fit for purpous today.
It is the same with more modern homes. My in-laws 1960s semi's garage last saw a Ford Puma. Everything since even modest MPVs have been too big. When people come to visit, they have to park in the road.
Edited by wildcat45 on Wednesday 18th June 16:28
Edited by wildcat45 on Wednesday 18th June 16:33
skyrover said:
Government rules are forcing developers to provide inadequate parking in order to boost public transport usage/cycling/walking.
Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
They used to require it under PPS3 but actually that has been repealed (it was in 2011)Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
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skyrover said:
Government rules are forcing developers to provide inadequate parking in order to boost public transport usage/cycling/walking.
Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
This really, I can accept a policy like that in London or other inner city areas, but elsewhere it simply won't work. There needs to be the expectation that any house of 2 beds or more will have 2 cars, and at least additional visitor parking of one car per property in new builds. I live on a new build estate and my house has space for 2 cars on the driveway, but there is only 2 designated on road spaces for approximately 8 houses, and the road is too narrow to park on, so you find people parking on pavements etc.Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
Despite my house being built in 1984, it's single detached garage is fairly big (18'7"x 8'9"), so I can easily fit the car in there. The other two cars fit side by side on the driveway. Guests can park on the road.
The thing that pisses me off though, is the fact that every house on the estate has a similar sized garage, and every house bar none has a reasonably sized driveway. Despite this fact, I must be the only one who parks a car in the garage, and the road is littered with badly parked cars, often bumped up on kerbs and blocking footpaths.
Muppets, the lot of them.
The thing that pisses me off though, is the fact that every house on the estate has a similar sized garage, and every house bar none has a reasonably sized driveway. Despite this fact, I must be the only one who parks a car in the garage, and the road is littered with badly parked cars, often bumped up on kerbs and blocking footpaths.
Muppets, the lot of them.
JackReacher said:
skyrover said:
Government rules are forcing developers to provide inadequate parking in order to boost public transport usage/cycling/walking.
Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
This really, I can accept a policy like that in London or other inner city areas, but elsewhere it simply won't work. There needs to be the expectation that any house of 2 beds or more will have 2 cars, and at least additional visitor parking of one car per property in new builds. I live on a new build estate and my house has space for 2 cars on the driveway, but there is only 2 designated on road spaces for approximately 8 houses, and the road is too narrow to park on, so you find people parking on pavements etc.Unfortunately this is pie in the sky fantasy when it comes to the real world you have neighbourhood streets littered with cars that wont fit on garages/driveways.
Many houses these day's have 3 and sometimes 4 cars. Houses should be built to accommodate them IMO.
I'm glad that I've got off road parking, as things seem to be kicking off on my road, there's room for one car outside each house, but one house has 4 cars and others have at least two.
I'm obviously in a minority who doesn't think it is reasonable to have more cars than you can park on/directly outside your property.
I'm obviously in a minority who doesn't think it is reasonable to have more cars than you can park on/directly outside your property.
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