What are either of these like?
Discussion
To live with and for reliability and running costs mainly please?
Diesel S Type:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/j...
Diesel XJ:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/j...
Is it the same engine in both (the 2.7 diesel)?
I think I'd love a proper XJ; alwasy wanted one tbh.
Diesel S Type:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/j...
Diesel XJ:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/j...
Is it the same engine in both (the 2.7 diesel)?
I think I'd love a proper XJ; alwasy wanted one tbh.
The XJ is lovely (i had one)
BUT, it will have air suspention problems!
The 2.7 Diesel is slow and uninspiring, the gearbox does not know how to use the engine either.
Get a petrol one, unless doing galactic mileage. As above... Short runs wont do the diesel any favors and will get worse economy than the petrol.
BUT, it will have air suspention problems!
The 2.7 Diesel is slow and uninspiring, the gearbox does not know how to use the engine either.
Get a petrol one, unless doing galactic mileage. As above... Short runs wont do the diesel any favors and will get worse economy than the petrol.
They are completely different platforms. The S-type is based on a Lincoln platform, the XJ is an all-alloy structure unique to Jaguar. The XJ is a considerably newer design, much lighter and in my opinion vastly superior. I bought an S-Type new, many years ago, in the vain hope that it would be the same driving experience as the XJ, which I wanted but couldn't afford. It wasn't. It was heavy, vague and wallowy. I sold it after a disastrous nine months.
The floor pan is different but from the 2002 re-engineer that everyone interested in Jags knows about all S-Types, XJs, alloy bodied XKs and XFs have shared all wiggly bits such as wishbones, uprights etc as well as engines, gearboxes, diffs etc.
Different spring and damper rates obviously. Only the X350 XJ was air-sprung which can be problematic. The others are all coil sprung. Various sub-models of each have adaptive dampers with passive dampers being the basics.
A Sport spec S-Type or S-Type R will easily out-handle X350 XJs. The X350 rides extremely nicely but isn't that sharp a handler due to fairly compliant bushes between subframes and body shell.
If Syd's Dad's S-Type was a wallowy mess, it was knackered and/or a pre-2002.
Different spring and damper rates obviously. Only the X350 XJ was air-sprung which can be problematic. The others are all coil sprung. Various sub-models of each have adaptive dampers with passive dampers being the basics.
A Sport spec S-Type or S-Type R will easily out-handle X350 XJs. The X350 rides extremely nicely but isn't that sharp a handler due to fairly compliant bushes between subframes and body shell.
If Syd's Dad's S-Type was a wallowy mess, it was knackered and/or a pre-2002.
Would agree on the differences in driving characteristics. My S-Type was heavy/wallowy and not much fun when trying to press on. However if you are on the motorway alot then I can't think of a better place to be other than an X350 XJ (however the XJ experience isn't from the driver's seat). The gearbox is fine in terms of smoothness, but if you press on or drive it quickly then it does get into a flap (mid corner gear changes anyone?).
30mpg was the best I got out of my S-Type 2.7D with mixed driving over 14k/13months. Inside including the boot is tiny in comparison to it's dimensions.
Only other advice I'd give is that make sure the battery is new(ish) as when they start to go all the systems throw their toys out the pram.
Fine cars for the one job they are designed to do
30mpg was the best I got out of my S-Type 2.7D with mixed driving over 14k/13months. Inside including the boot is tiny in comparison to it's dimensions.
Only other advice I'd give is that make sure the battery is new(ish) as when they start to go all the systems throw their toys out the pram.
Fine cars for the one job they are designed to do
No idea what's wrong with all these S-Types. Mine is quite happy to be hustled along. I have a 60 mile round trip every day on B-class single carriageways and am frequently the quickest thing on the road. I've passed 2 Mk3 MX-5s in the past 10 days heading home because they were going a bit too slow round corners for my liking.
Are these doughnut tyred SE spec cars on tired suspension? There was a 2004 batch which left the factory with the wrong suspension geometry set up and they're a bit lack-lustre to drive too.
Are these doughnut tyred SE spec cars on tired suspension? There was a 2004 batch which left the factory with the wrong suspension geometry set up and they're a bit lack-lustre to drive too.
jamieduff1981 said:
No idea what's wrong with all these S-Types. Mine is quite happy to be hustled along. I have a 60 mile round trip every day on B-class single carriageways and am frequently the quickest thing on the road. I've passed 2 Mk3 MX-5s in the past 10 days heading home because they were going a bit too slow round corners for my liking.
Are these doughnut tyred SE spec cars on tired suspension? There was a 2004 batch which left the factory with the wrong suspension geometry set up and they're a bit lack-lustre to drive too.
Oh yeah, the DSC is great Are these doughnut tyred SE spec cars on tired suspension? There was a 2004 batch which left the factory with the wrong suspension geometry set up and they're a bit lack-lustre to drive too.
TommoAE86 said:
jamieduff1981 said:
No idea what's wrong with all these S-Types. Mine is quite happy to be hustled along. I have a 60 mile round trip every day on B-class single carriageways and am frequently the quickest thing on the road. I've passed 2 Mk3 MX-5s in the past 10 days heading home because they were going a bit too slow round corners for my liking.
Are these doughnut tyred SE spec cars on tired suspension? There was a 2004 batch which left the factory with the wrong suspension geometry set up and they're a bit lack-lustre to drive too.
Oh yeah, the DSC is great Are these doughnut tyred SE spec cars on tired suspension? There was a 2004 batch which left the factory with the wrong suspension geometry set up and they're a bit lack-lustre to drive too.
It's a Sport with 18" wheels dressed in Michelin PSSs if that helps. I had a 4 wheel alignment a while back after renewing rear wishbone bushes and toe-links, and the car really came to life. It was ok before, but I think it had too much toe-out at the front and wore front tyres unevenly. Post alignment it instantly felt better, with both keener turn-in and better grip levels all round.
I had a 2005 XJ TDVi. I later discovered it was an early 2005.5 model with all the new developments they made at the time of releasing the diesel in the XJ - you can tell these as they don't have the side rubbing strips of the earlier cars. Its VIN places it before "official" TDVi production so I assume it was an early car for press use (the reg is similar to a lot of the ones in the brochures).
They have a factory bluetooth option, double glazed side windows and other changes. Mine had Tyre Pressure Monitoring and adaptive cruise too.
Although the car drove well and whilst not lightning fast was quick and economical - at that time I was doing a 100+ mile motorway drive twice a week - it was also a hideous money pit. It is comfortably the least durable and least reliable car I have ever owned. I kept spending "just another 1K" on it in the hope it would finally be OK, but it never was.
In the end, the smile I got from the ride and refinement was wiped by wondering which warning light was coming on next so I baled out early.
I loved it as motorway car (when it was working) but in the end I could no longer afford the repair bills. Before you ask, it had full Jag Service history and was a 2 owner car when I bought it.
ETA - OP - yes it is the same engine - it was fitted to the S-Type first though, and early cars (S-type only) didn't have DPF.
If you don't get regular suspension, gearbox, exhaust, and electrical problems like me, then it should be cheap for the class of car - diesel service interval is 15K. Look out for costly cam belt change at 105k or (from memory) 7 years.
The S-Type is available with a 6 speed manual - the XJ isn't.
XJ is more economical on fuel as it's lighter - basic structure weighs about the same as a Mondeo
They have a factory bluetooth option, double glazed side windows and other changes. Mine had Tyre Pressure Monitoring and adaptive cruise too.
Although the car drove well and whilst not lightning fast was quick and economical - at that time I was doing a 100+ mile motorway drive twice a week - it was also a hideous money pit. It is comfortably the least durable and least reliable car I have ever owned. I kept spending "just another 1K" on it in the hope it would finally be OK, but it never was.
In the end, the smile I got from the ride and refinement was wiped by wondering which warning light was coming on next so I baled out early.
I loved it as motorway car (when it was working) but in the end I could no longer afford the repair bills. Before you ask, it had full Jag Service history and was a 2 owner car when I bought it.
ETA - OP - yes it is the same engine - it was fitted to the S-Type first though, and early cars (S-type only) didn't have DPF.
If you don't get regular suspension, gearbox, exhaust, and electrical problems like me, then it should be cheap for the class of car - diesel service interval is 15K. Look out for costly cam belt change at 105k or (from memory) 7 years.
The S-Type is available with a 6 speed manual - the XJ isn't.
XJ is more economical on fuel as it's lighter - basic structure weighs about the same as a Mondeo
Edited by V8forweekends on Monday 23 June 15:23
I had a 3.0 petrol XJ and kept a thread updated. Pretty sure a chap on there had issues with a derv XJ.
If you are not doing huge miles, stick to the petrol IMO:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
If you are not doing huge miles, stick to the petrol IMO:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Thank you for all of your feedback, much appreciated.
I will probably discount the diesel now.
I would begrudge the VED on a later petrol model tbh, so which model and engine options are best for reliability on a pre 2006 or even a pre 2001 model?
I might be more interested in having a good but cheaper older model as a car to enjoy as a change to a daily diesel
I will probably discount the diesel now.
I would begrudge the VED on a later petrol model tbh, so which model and engine options are best for reliability on a pre 2006 or even a pre 2001 model?
I might be more interested in having a good but cheaper older model as a car to enjoy as a change to a daily diesel
Thank you for all of your feedback, much appreciated.
I will probably discount the diesel now.
I would begrudge the VED on a later petrol model tbh, so which model and engine options are best for reliability on a pre 2006 or even a pre 2001 model?
I might be more interested in having a good but cheaper older model as a car to enjoy as a change to a daily diesel
I will probably discount the diesel now.
I would begrudge the VED on a later petrol model tbh, so which model and engine options are best for reliability on a pre 2006 or even a pre 2001 model?
I might be more interested in having a good but cheaper older model as a car to enjoy as a change to a daily diesel
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