Could I have dealt with this differently? Or better?
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Yes yes, I know, I'm another one of those 'dash cam w
kers'!
This is one of the early outings of my mini 0801 and stuff like this makes me glad i got one. Anyway, fast forward to 1:50 if you can't be arsed watching me drive!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKE4L18vvA&fe...
I'm new to all this driving properly malarkey.
So, could I have done anything differently? My mind keeps saying I should have come to a complete stop on the roundabout and let him proceed, rather than sound the horn to make him aware of my presence and make him brake/ swerve.
Live and learn eh.
kers'!This is one of the early outings of my mini 0801 and stuff like this makes me glad i got one. Anyway, fast forward to 1:50 if you can't be arsed watching me drive!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKE4L18vvA&fe...
I'm new to all this driving properly malarkey.
So, could I have done anything differently? My mind keeps saying I should have come to a complete stop on the roundabout and let him proceed, rather than sound the horn to make him aware of my presence and make him brake/ swerve.Live and learn eh.
well dash cam wker is about right.
I know some people including you are getting these for "protecting yourself in the event of a crash" but really these insurance companies are not stupid nor are the police. They have extensive technique to ascertain what happened and how; above all else witnesses.
Yes I know these can be handy and for some they will say it saved my life with the insurance company but the thought of every fking wker motorist in the world having one on their car watching/recording each other is just plain stupid!
ker is about right. I know some people including you are getting these for "protecting yourself in the event of a crash" but really these insurance companies are not stupid nor are the police. They have extensive technique to ascertain what happened and how; above all else witnesses.
Yes I know these can be handy and for some they will say it saved my life with the insurance company but the thought of every f
king wker motorist in the world having one on their car watching/recording each other is just plain stupid!a) By not making us watch 2 minutes 30 of nothing before we get to the event
b) By not driving through an amber light when it was clear to stop
c) By not driving along in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway
d) By slowing down once you noticed the moron pull out not once you almost hit him
That any good?
b) By not driving through an amber light when it was clear to stop
c) By not driving along in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway
d) By slowing down once you noticed the moron pull out not once you almost hit him
That any good?
Hey. ALL criticism is welcome! I've got a number of reasons why I have a dash cam fitted, primarily a very near miss into a motorway barrier which i came away lucky from. The offending van vanished down the road.
Point taken on the dual carriageway bit, it's a well know road to me and I almost always use it in rush hour, and as such get straight into the RHL to join the traffic queue waiting to go right.
So, should I have come to a complete stop on the roundabout?
Point taken on the dual carriageway bit, it's a well know road to me and I almost always use it in rush hour, and as such get straight into the RHL to join the traffic queue waiting to go right.
So, should I have come to a complete stop on the roundabout?
eltax91 said:
Hey. ALL criticism is welcome! I've got a number of reasons why I have a dash cam fitted, primarily a very near miss into a motorway barrier which i came away lucky from. The offending van vanished down the road.
Point taken on the dual carriageway bit, it's a well know road to me and I almost always use it in rush hour, and as such get straight into the RHL to join the traffic queue waiting to go right.
So, should I have come to a complete stop on the roundabout?
I know what you mean about the road- there are one or two places near me where i might be known to do the same. I also know i shouldn't.Point taken on the dual carriageway bit, it's a well know road to me and I almost always use it in rush hour, and as such get straight into the RHL to join the traffic queue waiting to go right.
So, should I have come to a complete stop on the roundabout?
As for a complete stop, i don't know. I can't really tell when you started to slow down and once the puller-outer had swerved away to leave you space it was really your call as to whether you wanted him in front of or behind you. I'd rather not stop on the roundabout, especially if there was the chance for fast and unsighted traffic to be coming round it. i guess i'd have slowed down and been sounding the horn while planning on pulling to his inside, which could well have had worse consquences given his reaction.
Fox- said:
a) By not making us watch 2 minutes 30 of nothing before we get to the event
b) By not driving through an amber light when it was clear to stop
c) By not driving along in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway
d) By slowing down once you noticed the moron pull out not once you almost hit him
That any good?
Thisb) By not driving through an amber light when it was clear to stop
c) By not driving along in the outside lane of an empty dual carriageway
d) By slowing down once you noticed the moron pull out not once you almost hit him
That any good?
You were pushing the timing on the Amber, but then the traffic looked light enough that the lights should not really have been active. Minus points for both you and the local roads department.
Automatic use of the right hand lane given that you did not even need to pass anything was dodgy even assuming nothing behind.
That roundabout looks designed to bring users into contention. The MPV driver did the classic manoeuvre of sitting there for just long enough while you were in full view to make you think they would not move, then pulled out when you were too close. It looked like you backed off as they moved then braked when you realised they were going for the rhd lane.
Maybe they thought they could make it into the rhd lane as you spiralled out to the left?
I think some drivers brains operate with a 2 second time lag, at the point they first see you they could pull out, but by the time they decide to do so you are far too close.
Automatic use of the right hand lane given that you did not even need to pass anything was dodgy even assuming nothing behind.
That roundabout looks designed to bring users into contention. The MPV driver did the classic manoeuvre of sitting there for just long enough while you were in full view to make you think they would not move, then pulled out when you were too close. It looked like you backed off as they moved then braked when you realised they were going for the rhd lane.
Maybe they thought they could make it into the rhd lane as you spiralled out to the left?
I think some drivers brains operate with a 2 second time lag, at the point they first see you they could pull out, but by the time they decide to do so you are far too close.
I must be honest I think everyone should cLm the fk down about the lane discipline. Yes, it's not perfect, but it looks as if there's no one about. In a situation such as that, there's much more likely going to be something (animal) unexpectedly dashing out from the left than the right so I'd be in the right lane.
If someone came up behind me then that's another story (and if there was a tail of cars behind you then you're in the wrong). If nothing about, then I'd be where you were.
I'd suggest your anticipation on the chap pulling out was poor. He looked like it was going to happen from a long way off.
k down about the lane discipline. Yes, it's not perfect, but it looks as if there's no one about. In a situation such as that, there's much more likely going to be something (animal) unexpectedly dashing out from the left than the right so I'd be in the right lane.If someone came up behind me then that's another story (and if there was a tail of cars behind you then you're in the wrong). If nothing about, then I'd be where you were.
I'd suggest your anticipation on the chap pulling out was poor. He looked like it was going to happen from a long way off.
At least with a dashcam you can look at what happened, do the action replays, and figure out if you could/should have done something differently, and get other people's points of view.
I think i would have braked to a halt as you have no idea what the other driver is going to do - looks like they may have missed a gear and then panicked.
Hopefully they also learned a lesson.
I would look at getting a program like avidemux to chop your videos to the appropriate sections.
I think i would have braked to a halt as you have no idea what the other driver is going to do - looks like they may have missed a gear and then panicked.
Hopefully they also learned a lesson.
I would look at getting a program like avidemux to chop your videos to the appropriate sections.
cootuk said:
At least with a dashcam you can look at what happened, do the action replays, and figure out if you could/should have done something differently, and get other people's points of view.
I think i would have braked to a halt as you have no idea what the other driver is going to do - looks like they may have missed a gear and then panicked.
Hopefully they also learned a lesson.
I would look at getting a program like avidemux to chop your videos to the appropriate sections.
I have one. I'm stick in Copenhagen for work and have a restricted laptop with me so can't install it. Hence I had to upload the smallest section covering what I was showing. I think i would have braked to a halt as you have no idea what the other driver is going to do - looks like they may have missed a gear and then panicked.
Hopefully they also learned a lesson.
I would look at getting a program like avidemux to chop your videos to the appropriate sections.
Thanks for the advice all, I stuck my head above the parapet because I want to learn from my mistakes. I cover 30k a year for work and I know my standard needs to improve. I'm considering some advanced lessons etc.
Oh and hold the front page, PH's have let in someone who isn't a driving god!
From "not a driving God - and I make far too many mistakes than I am comfortable with..." and I said earlier the OP's road position is poor....
0 seconds in : You are doing 48mph.
1 second in: You can see there is a road on the left hand side. Your road position doesn't change. Move a little closer to the centre line, possibly drop a gear to give you options of hoofing it/ braking depending if something pulls out.
2 seconds in: You can see a warning sign up ahead. With no sound available... What did you do?
4 seconds in: You can see a road on the right hand side. Your road position doesn't chant. Move closer to the left hand side of the road. Maximise the position between you and any danger.
5 seconds in: Road sign is clear - as is SLOW on road.
6 seconds in: Look at the tree/ hedge line on the left hand side. It is indicative of a road coming at you on the left hand side. Which it does ( you can see at 8 seconds in )... again - your road positioning does not change.
10 seconds in: Look at the telegraph wire crossing the road. Suggests a habitation… and thus a road.
10 seconds in: you just passed the left hand road. Road positioning could be better. You can see road on right hand side... you should be more over to the LHS.
12 seconds in: Break in coiffured trees. Odds are a house is on LHS..(which it is) - fence visble- Oncoming vehicle on RHS. Car seems planted in middle of road. ( use the width of the road! )
15 seconds in: Look at break in fence/ hedge line, suggests a road to the left. and solid line changes to broken- which means there is a road on LHS. Your car position hasn't changed. You should be more just left of centre line approaching this.
15 seconds in: You can see roadworks are ahead. You are doing 45mph.
17 seconds in: 2nd warning triangle visible. Your speed is 44mph. Look at the trees on the LHS. It strongly suggests a road joining…
20 seconds in: Sign is clear. Roadworks ahead
21 seconds in : road to the right is visible - your road positioning does not change.
24 seconds in : Suspected road to the left is now visible. your road positioning does not change. Warning triangle visible. Speed 47mph.
25 seconds in: road narrows on your side in 200 yards. Still doing 47mph.
26 seconds in: … look through the trees… see the bank of trees and hedges ahead on the LHS… odds are another road on the LHS is coming.. be prepared to move to left of the centre line..
27 seconds in: wooden fences ( not with wire) visible on RHS - which means Horses. Horses do three things.. walk slowly on the road, go two a breast and an bloody unpredictable. Your speed 47mph.
29 seconds: White vehicle visible. — 30 seconds. White van not moving. Expect traffic lights ( in connection)
30 seconds in: Warning triangle visible. Your speed 47mph. That suspected road to the left appears. Solid line on LHS now broken confirms this. Your road position still poor.
31 seconds. Red light visible. Your speed 47mph.
33 seconds. You start to brake. You do seem to be quite close to the centre line ( not the place to be )
33 seconds. Chimneys on the right hand side. Telegraph cables across the road… access to the right is approaching. And streetlamps too. Roundabout ahead - you can see the traffic.
For the first 33 seconds your car is slap bang in the middle of the lane. It should be moving from left to right to minimise unexpected danger. Also - your speed doesn’t seem to vary much given the plethora of warning signs ( man made and natural ).
Brazil have just scored - and I CBA continuing.. but you get my drift.
I’ve only picked out about 50% of the hazards I’ve seen so far. What about you? How did you do?
BTW - We all have room to improve. I've been driving for 30 years - and I still cock it up far too often.
Edit.. I should add- I could handle icy conditions far better when I was 21 years old than I can now. I had way way more chance to practice back then.
Double Edit... Race track instructor says my racing line is really st. Hey ho.
0 seconds in : You are doing 48mph.
1 second in: You can see there is a road on the left hand side. Your road position doesn't change. Move a little closer to the centre line, possibly drop a gear to give you options of hoofing it/ braking depending if something pulls out.
2 seconds in: You can see a warning sign up ahead. With no sound available... What did you do?
4 seconds in: You can see a road on the right hand side. Your road position doesn't chant. Move closer to the left hand side of the road. Maximise the position between you and any danger.
5 seconds in: Road sign is clear - as is SLOW on road.
6 seconds in: Look at the tree/ hedge line on the left hand side. It is indicative of a road coming at you on the left hand side. Which it does ( you can see at 8 seconds in )... again - your road positioning does not change.
10 seconds in: Look at the telegraph wire crossing the road. Suggests a habitation… and thus a road.
10 seconds in: you just passed the left hand road. Road positioning could be better. You can see road on right hand side... you should be more over to the LHS.
12 seconds in: Break in coiffured trees. Odds are a house is on LHS..(which it is) - fence visble- Oncoming vehicle on RHS. Car seems planted in middle of road. ( use the width of the road! )
15 seconds in: Look at break in fence/ hedge line, suggests a road to the left. and solid line changes to broken- which means there is a road on LHS. Your car position hasn't changed. You should be more just left of centre line approaching this.
15 seconds in: You can see roadworks are ahead. You are doing 45mph.
17 seconds in: 2nd warning triangle visible. Your speed is 44mph. Look at the trees on the LHS. It strongly suggests a road joining…
20 seconds in: Sign is clear. Roadworks ahead
21 seconds in : road to the right is visible - your road positioning does not change.
24 seconds in : Suspected road to the left is now visible. your road positioning does not change. Warning triangle visible. Speed 47mph.
25 seconds in: road narrows on your side in 200 yards. Still doing 47mph.
26 seconds in: … look through the trees… see the bank of trees and hedges ahead on the LHS… odds are another road on the LHS is coming.. be prepared to move to left of the centre line..
27 seconds in: wooden fences ( not with wire) visible on RHS - which means Horses. Horses do three things.. walk slowly on the road, go two a breast and an bloody unpredictable. Your speed 47mph.
29 seconds: White vehicle visible. — 30 seconds. White van not moving. Expect traffic lights ( in connection)
30 seconds in: Warning triangle visible. Your speed 47mph. That suspected road to the left appears. Solid line on LHS now broken confirms this. Your road position still poor.
31 seconds. Red light visible. Your speed 47mph.
33 seconds. You start to brake. You do seem to be quite close to the centre line ( not the place to be )
33 seconds. Chimneys on the right hand side. Telegraph cables across the road… access to the right is approaching. And streetlamps too. Roundabout ahead - you can see the traffic.
For the first 33 seconds your car is slap bang in the middle of the lane. It should be moving from left to right to minimise unexpected danger. Also - your speed doesn’t seem to vary much given the plethora of warning signs ( man made and natural ).
Brazil have just scored - and I CBA continuing.. but you get my drift.
I’ve only picked out about 50% of the hazards I’ve seen so far. What about you? How did you do?
BTW - We all have room to improve. I've been driving for 30 years - and I still cock it up far too often.
Edit.. I should add- I could handle icy conditions far better when I was 21 years old than I can now. I had way way more chance to practice back then.
Double Edit... Race track instructor says my racing line is really s
t. Hey ho.Edited by Troubleatmill on Monday 23 June 22:57
Fox- said:
a) By not making us watch 2 minutes 30 of nothing before we get to the event
That was an "event"?eltax91 said:
Hey. ALL criticism is welcome! I've got a number of reasons why I have a dash cam fitted, primarily a very near miss into a motorway barrier which i came away lucky from. The offending van vanished down the road.
PLEASE tell me it was a lot less insignificant than the "event" here?eltax91 said:
Point taken on the dual carriageway bit, it's a well know road to me and I almost always use it in rush hour, and as such get straight into the RHL to join the traffic queue waiting to go right.
So you normally drive down it, brain-in-neutral, on the (sometimes correct) assumption that you might come across something to justify your lane positioning at some point...?
I feel that dash cams only serve to incriminate ones self.
If someone's driving is so bad, take their number plate and report them to the police. If everyone did that, and a particular individual was reported several times, then the police might be inclined to go knock on that persons door.
If someone's driving is so bad, take their number plate and report them to the police. If everyone did that, and a particular individual was reported several times, then the police might be inclined to go knock on that persons door.
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