Best engine format for racing
Best engine format for racing
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Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

227 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Assuming identical power outputs for all engine configurations - ignore fuel type - which is the best ?

Best as in to achieve the fastest lap?


I6
V6
v8
V10
V12
Boxter


SV8Predator

2,102 posts

194 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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What is an I6? Or is that 16?


Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

188 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Either I am missing something - or you haven't thought this one through.

If the area under the power curve and torque curve is the same.... what difference are you expecting to see?

Do all engines weigh the same too?

blank

3,761 posts

217 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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If they all have the same power then the lightest!

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

227 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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SV8Predator said:
What is an I6? Or is that 16?
Inline 6

Crafty_

14,090 posts

229 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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I6 = Inline 6.


Welshbeef

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227 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Troubleatmill said:
Either I am missing something - or you haven't thought this one through.

If the area under the power curve and torque curve is the same.... what difference are you expecting to see?
I'm thinking lowest centre of gravity or narrowness (as in inline) meaning less frontal area

Or would a wankel engine be in theory the best for this?

s p a c e m a n

12,075 posts

177 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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blank said:
If they all have the same power then the lightest!
That.

Boxter?

haggishunter

1,315 posts

272 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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I suppose it also depends where it is mounted.

FredClogs

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190 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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blank said:
If they all have the same power then the lightest!
this, but a flat engine (boxster) has the advantage of low c of g.

Dave Hedgehog

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233 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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FredClogs said:
blank said:
If they all have the same power then the lightest!
this, but a flat engine (boxster) has the advantage of low c of g.
And you can not beat the noise


http://youtu.be/6dFzgsq49R8

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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H16 probably if you can get reliability. I do not think anyone has as yet.

Welshbeef

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Friday 4th July 2014
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Steffan said:
H16 probably if you can get reliability. I do not think anyone has as yet.
What is this?

Mound Dawg

1,925 posts

203 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Flat engines don't work so well for aero packaging though. This is why F1 designers (when given the choice) go for V motors because they package up into a small space and allow aerodynamic undertrays etc.

The "best" engine will only be the best for the particular car it's in.


xRIEx

8,180 posts

177 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Assuming identical power outputs for all engine configurations - ignore fuel type - which is the best ?

Best as in to achieve the fastest lap?


I6
V6
v8
V10
V12
Boxter

Stupid question is stupid.

FredClogs said:
blank said:
If they all have the same power then the lightest!
this, but a flat engine (boxster) has the advantage of low c of g.
Oh yes, the boxster engine, as made famous in the Porsche Boxer.




st, I'm being really condescending on this thread. boxedin

Steffan

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257 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Welshbeef said:
Steffan said:
H16 probably if you can get reliability. I do not think anyone has as yet.
What is this?
Foursquare engine of four sets of diagonally arranged pistons totaling 16 swept bores arranged in an opposed pattern reminiscent of a H with the crank in the centre. BRM built one but reliability was poor. Very very free revving powerful engine certainly the best theoretically. Outstanding dynamic balance and very short engine. Holy grail of engines IMO.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

177 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Steffan said:
Foursquare engine of four sets of diagonally arranged pistons totaling 16 swept bores arranged in an opposed pattern reminiscent of a H with the crank in the centre. BRM built one but reliability was poor. Very very free revving powerful engine certainly the best theoretically. Outstanding dynamic balance and very short engine. Holy grail of engines IMO.
It reminds me more of an X than an H.

Tc24

533 posts

168 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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With my limited knowledge, I think I'd need more information...

What size engine? For example I get the feeling if we were talking sub 3 litre, an i6 would win (have it in my head that c500cc is optimal cylinder size, not sure where from).

If we were talking 6 litres, I think something like a v12 would be better. Can't imagine as few as 6 cylinders being optimal for an engine of that displacement.

Happy to be corrected by somebody smart if this is wrong smile

Puddenchucker

5,846 posts

247 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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xRIEx said:
Steffan said:
Foursquare engine of four sets of diagonally arranged pistons totaling 16 swept bores arranged in an opposed pattern reminiscent of a H with the crank in the centre. BRM built one but reliability was poor. Very very free revving powerful engine certainly the best theoretically. Outstanding dynamic balance and very short engine. Holy grail of engines IMO.
It reminds me more of an X than an H.
I thought the BRM H16 was, effectively, two flat 8s, one on top of the other?
(i.e. 2 crankshafts?)


xRIEx

8,180 posts

177 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Puddenchucker said:
xRIEx said:
Steffan said:
Foursquare engine of four sets of diagonally arranged pistons totaling 16 swept bores arranged in an opposed pattern reminiscent of a H with the crank in the centre. BRM built one but reliability was poor. Very very free revving powerful engine certainly the best theoretically. Outstanding dynamic balance and very short engine. Holy grail of engines IMO.
It reminds me more of an X than an H.
I thought the BRM H16 was, effectively, two flat 8s, one on top of the other?

Undoubtedly an H then.

Two cranks though, rather than one shared.

Beautiful engine, amazing sound. I notice that the cranks spin in the same direction, would counter-rotating cranks not balance the engine better (i.e. no torque on the engine mounts)? Does the rotation even have an effect, or am I worrying about nothing?