RE: Ford Capri 3.0 S: £15K Competition Update
RE: Ford Capri 3.0 S: £15K Competition Update
Wednesday 9th July 2014

Ford Capri 3.0 S: £15K Competition Update

Anybody got a spare Essex V6 knocking about? Matt might be needing one




Both our Flux winners' cars are now officially out of hibernation and their ownership experiences continue to blossom. Well, up to a point, as you'll see.

You can read the latest on Matt Purdon's Capri here (background to it here) and our first prize winner John has recently updated us on progress with his Integrale. Click here to read that.

Thanks again to Adrian Flux for sponsoring the competition.

 

 


It's been a busy start to the summer for 'Tony'
It's been a busy start to the summer for 'Tony'
It's often said that what the universe (or your deity of choice) gives with one hand, it takes with the other. This month's update is a frustrating case in point.

It's been a little while since Tony the Capri and I last checked in, but we've been keeping pretty busy. At the end of May I got a call from the guys at Flux inviting me up to exhibit at Classic Ford, which saw Tone, Faye and I heading up to Santa Pod for a weekend of late nights and far too early mornings. The show saw a massive turnout and a huge spread of cars with some seriously impressive action on the strip - nine-second Pinto-powered Mk1 Escort, anyone? There were a few gripes from people, largely aimed at the marshaling, but all-in the show had plenty going for it and the atmosphere seemed very much that of community. I was glad to have made the effort and the car went down a treat too, which is always nice.

On show at Classic Ford; shame about pilfering
On show at Classic Ford; shame about pilfering
That was until the give and take kicked in when I headed over to meet Terry Dolphin at Dolphin Motorsports. Keith at Burton Power suggested I track him down to discuss the future plans for the Capri and couldn't recommend his knowledge and skill enough. After a few days of trying at his surprisingly local unit, I finally timed it right to meet the man himself.

I'd not had the now-filthy car out since Classic Ford, but that didn't matter - we were there to talk engines. I popped the bonnet and noticed the car was now lacking both headlight covers and even a single nut from the K&N filter. Lesson learned; bonnet stays shut in future. If whoever pocketed those would like to send them back my way, just get in touch.

Seeing the old tyres out in suitable style...
Seeing the old tyres out in suitable style...
Following this came some giving; the guys at Toyo answered my terrified pleas for help following the 'skidpan' sessions I've recently been treated to by the Ditch Finder 9000s. Those of us still running 13-inch wheels are somewhat limited on what boots we can fit these days. Rubber bands for that 'Sarf Landan' look on your Escort seem plentiful, but for anyone looking to stay a little bigger you hit a wall almost as quickly as you can type '205/60R13' into Google.

Track-biased tyres are available, such as the Toyo R888 and Yokohama A048, but when you're after something suitable for more than smooth, dry tarmac, where can you go? Unless you know a guy who knows a guy who might be able to supply some mystery Falkens, you have to compromise on the size. For me, that came in dropping to a 185 profile Toyo CF1. The initial impressions of these, however, are fantastic. I've only managed to upset them once, and that was under a schoolboy combination of hard braking and too much steering when met by a surprise red light mid-roundabout.

...before heading off to get  new Toyos fitted
...before heading off to get new Toyos fitted
They saw plenty of abuse on my travels, trying in vain to get them loose but they just wouldn't have any of it. I can't even get my Professionals on anymore when giving it a boot full; it's been slipping the clutch before lighting the tyres up. I've entered the power-grip cycle and am infinitely sorry to my future bank balance.

They've even upped my fuel economy, I had to move out of my house in Brighton and the car doubled up as a removal van - another feather in the cap of what must be the country's most used 3.0 S. Loaded with two passengers, seats down and as much as I could fit in the back it returned 28mpg over 400 miles, with some very un-sympathetic driving thrown in while trying to keep myself awake.

I was hoping to give these a proper, considered thrash and review now, but we'll have to re-visit this. Before I could get out and do so, the final 'take' came last night when nipping out of a junction in traffic. The new grip-and-go tyres combined with Ford's utterly genius decision to make the timing gear out of cheese resulted in me coming to a clattering halt 20 metres from where I started. The sound made by a V6 suddenly losing all co-ordination under load at 4,500rpm is simply hideous.

And it was all going so nicely too
And it was all going so nicely too
A phonecall later and out came Paul, my RAC hero for the day. Surprisingly he was very au fait with Capris having worked for Ford at Dunton, and even had a Brooklands 280 as his last company car. We whipped the distributor cap off, spun it over, no dice. The camshaft's not spinning so our fears were confirmed.

I got the car recovered back down to the south coast where we have a workshop in lieu of the strip-down to assess the damage, but I'm not feeling good about it. My current plan is to simply drop in a replacement Essex to get it up and running again, then shelve the original engine for a rebuild some time in the future when I'm a grown-up with time and money. Finding a replacement, however, seems to be far easier said than done. It could be an opportunity to bring forward the go-faster modding, but with a bill currently over my head for next year's housing at uni it really couldn't have come at a worse time.

Thanks: Toyo Tyres


Previous updates:
Matt explains why it had to be a Capri and how he found his dream car
The Capri project starts in earnest
Matt reports in after a summer of fun in his Capri
Burning the midnight oil
Capri goes well; stopping it is more of an issue
MoT reveals some rust ... quite a lot of rust

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Discussion

Gary C

Original Poster:

15,240 posts

208 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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The fibre timing gear strikes again ?

Time to fit steel ones.

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

289 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Running a V6 Capri at Uni? (Or not...) You lucky, lucky man. I was offered a Mk2 Jag for nothing when I was at college (before you were born) but the insurers wanted an arm, a leg, a kidney, one lung and several lobes of my liver. So the HA Viva had to do until it failed its MoT and I couldn't afford to fix it.

liner33

10,861 posts

231 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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The steel ones whine and sound cool smile

The fibre ones were flaky when the cars were new let alone after all these years

XJR500bhp

1,205 posts

239 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Little s knicking the headlight covers, that's what winds me up at those shows. No matter what car club, there are always some tossers

QuattroDave

1,817 posts

157 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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I feel your pain fella I really do.

The garage that changed my cambelt didn't tighten up the pulley bolt tight enough, the result was a slow but gradual wearing down of the key until one day (in the car park of a company I had an interview!) the key sheared off without me realising. One friendly bumpstart later and the engine in my UR was toast. All valves severely bent, head cracked in three places - it was as they say "Kaput"

But hold out faith, if I can source the parts (mainly from germany) to get an old Audi engine rebuilt I'm sure you'll have a replacement engine for your capri in no time.

s m

24,471 posts

232 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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article said:
Finding a replacement, however, seems to be far easier said than done.
Presumably you've seen the ones on EBay? 7 at present

Edited by s m on Wednesday 9th July 10:39

TheProfessor

158 posts

174 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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s m said:
Presumably you've seen the ones on EBay? 7 at present
And come up on a regular basis.

There was a fully rebuilt 3.1 on there a couple of weeks ago as well.

Obviously you need more than 15K to keep a 3.0S on the road these days.............spin

skoze

71 posts

161 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Sorry, I should've put the word 'good' in there. The engine that's just gone full grenade was such a good one i'd hate to put in something worse.

Luckily there have been a few developments and people offering me all manner of parts, from 3.1 blocks and pistons to hot cams and big valve heads It'd be rude not to while i'm in there, right?

All gonna come down to the cash flow, but we'll see when it can hit the road again. Either way, gutted is an understatement.

TheProfessor

158 posts

174 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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3.1 route is just a +60thou overbore so was always a good route to go whilst you have an Essex in pieces.

I don't think you should have any head damage from the timing gears letting go, Essex ran chambered pistons, you biggest problem is going to be how much damage has occurred to the bottom end if any pieces of the timing gear go sucked up.

I was always told to oncentrate on the breathing side, DGAS carb, decent tubular manifold and decent heads & cam combination and you'll have a strong Essex that will still give you bags of torque which is the Essex strong point (remember it was originally designed as a oil burner so has a very strong bottom end).

If your pockets are deep and you can find one an old Swaymar inlet manifold and Holly 300 carb is another alternative as the DGAS tops out at around 175/180bhp limit.

s m

24,471 posts

232 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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TheProfessor said:
3.1 route is just a +60thou overbore so was always a good route to go whilst you have an Essex in pieces.

I don't think you should have any head damage from the timing gears letting go, Essex ran chambered pistons, you biggest problem is going to be how much damage has occurred to the bottom end if any pieces of the timing gear go sucked up.

I was always told to oncentrate on the breathing side, DGAS carb, decent tubular manifold and decent heads & cam combination and you'll have a strong Essex that will still give you bags of torque which is the Essex strong point (remember it was originally designed as a oil burner so has a very strong bottom end).

If your pockets are deep and you can find one an old Swaymar inlet manifold and Holly 300 carb is another alternative as the DGAS tops out at around 175/180bhp limit.
Worth asking

http://ccscotland.fr.yuku.com/topic/8122/Swaymar-M...

liner33

10,861 posts

231 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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TheProfessor said:
3.1 route is just a +60thou overbore so was always a good route to go whilst you have an Essex in pieces.

I don't think you should have any head damage from the timing gears letting go, Essex ran chambered pistons, you biggest problem is going to be how much damage has occurred to the bottom end if any pieces of the timing gear go sucked up.

I was always told to oncentrate on the breathing side, DGAS carb, decent tubular manifold and decent heads & cam combination and you'll have a strong Essex that will still give you bags of torque which is the Essex strong point (remember it was originally designed as a oil burner so has a very strong bottom end).

If your pockets are deep and you can find one an old Swaymar inlet manifold and Holly 300 carb is another alternative as the DGAS tops out at around 175/180bhp limit.
Pretty much the route I took with mine, never dynoed it but the guy who built my 3.1 engine reckoned on about 185hp , he had spent many years building engines for various race teams and knew his stuff. The Holley carb conversion is good as is triple weber options but both are pretty thirsty. A lot of the expertise on these engines has probably literally died off

npf20

33 posts

163 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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"My current plan is to simply drop in a replacement Essex to get it up and running again, then shelve the original engine for a rebuild some time in the future when I'm a grown-up with time and money. Finding a replacement, however, seems to be far easier said than done."

Sorry to tell you that becoming a grown-up with time and money is also far easier said than done. I hope the original can be resurrected.

J4CKO

46,824 posts

229 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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This is god telling you to ditch the old V6 and put something spicier in biggrin

With that engine bay, you can get pretty much anything in.

YB, lexus V8, 24 valve Cosworth Grandada, Volvo T5 ?

TheProfessor

158 posts

174 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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J4CKO said:
This is god telling you to ditch the old V6 and put something spicier in biggrin

With that engine bay, you can get pretty much anything in.

YB, lexus V8, 24 valve Cosworth Grandada, Volvo T5 ?
Or win the lottery, go old school and fit a Cosworth GAA..............spin

Agree and Essex is a lump of an old boat anchor, but it will take plenty of abuse

liner33

10,861 posts

231 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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I fancy putting a RB25det into a Capri

EggsBenedict

1,795 posts

203 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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MK3 Capri Perana?

http://www.retrocaricons.com/article/Ford_Capri_Pe...

Or

Rebuild your current engine (so you have the original lump) with steel gears and mild tune - don't go nuts, the Essex isn't worth the effort, and the car will retain more of it's value standard.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

247 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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TheProfessor said:
J4CKO said:
This is god telling you to ditch the old V6 and put something spicier in biggrin

With that engine bay, you can get pretty much anything in.

YB, lexus V8, 24 valve Cosworth Grandada, Volvo T5 ?
Or win the lottery, go old school and fit a Cosworth GAA..............spin

Agree and Essex is a lump of an old boat anchor, but it will take plenty of abuse
(Plenty) being a contentious point in this case.

TheProfessor

158 posts

174 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Oddball RS said:
(Plenty) being a contentious point in this case.
TBH the fiber timing gear issue is well known, but I was surprised to read that the engine still had one fitted.

A quick way to check is to take out the fuel pump and look end on at the timing gear. Quick visual check will confirm either way, and just a simple matter of bolting back up the fuel pump.

cologne2792

2,151 posts

155 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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I wrecked the fibre timing gear on my 3.0 S in the early nineties due to youthful stupidity ! Back then it was much easier to find an Essex V6 from an auto Granada which lived in the car for the rest of it's life. Only cost me £200 - doubt you'd be so fortunate now. Ford 302 V8 or (cough) Chevvy V8 may be an in the spirit and more cost effective alternative. Don't 24V V6 a 3.0 S - save that for the 2.8 injection owners - it's more in keeping.

skoze

71 posts

161 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Cheers for the support guys, I guess this is the online equivalent of going for a moan down the pub haha.

Realistically I'd love to see 170/180bhp out of the anchor, which shouldn't be too difficult with any luck. I am tempted by swaps at this stage, but on my budget (or lack of) I'm not sure how worthwhile that'd be at this stage.

I'm unsure right now on what to do block/ pistons wise. If mine have come away unscathed, do I re-build as is or do I pick up a 3.1 from one of my sources?

There's no replacement for displacement, but is it gonna be worth the hassle swapping everything over from mine when it was good up 'til 24 hours a go?