RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 280: PH Fleet
RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 280: PH Fleet
Thursday 10th July 2014

SEAT Leon Cupra 280: PH Fleet

SEAT's latest hot hatch joins the PH Fleet; Dan hasn't taken it to the Nurburgring (yet)



There's been quite a bit to say about the SEAT Leon Cupra recently. An encouraging first drive was enough to proclaim the return of the decent fast SEAT, PHers were involved with the promo video, it claimed a Nurburgring record and then subsequently had it taken away.

No, it's not Blu-Tack blue, it's 'Dynamic'
No, it's not Blu-Tack blue, it's 'Dynamic'
So now we have six months to establish definitively where the Cupra sits in the hot hatch hierarchy. And talk about it some more.

How to do that? A few comparison tests are due, particularly against the Golf R and the Megane 275. We've heard the 265 is ever so slightly sweeter than the 280 thanks to its smaller wheels and different tyres so we should probably try one of those also. Given the frenzy around that lap time a trip out to Germany is on the cards. When (if?) the Performance Pack is made available I would love to give that a try as well. Everything seems fabulously luxurious after 4,000 miles in a Caterham so I can forgo air-con. There will of course just be daily driving duties as well.

Moreover, we're hoping to investigate a few tuning possibilities. Fear not, it won't be scened, it won't have 450hp going through the front Potenzas and it won't have LED screens in the door cards. But with such an active Cupra tuning community we would like to see how the car responds to a few reversible modifications. A tad more power, some additional handling edge, that sort of thing. And yes, we have SEAT's blessing. If you have any recommendations, please add them to the comments or contact me directly.

First modification complete!
First modification complete!
Anyway, that's for the future. Right now it's time to introduce 'our' car. The third generation Cupra introduces a three-door option for the first time and, without children or many friends to cart around, having five seemed unnecessary. Having a sprog in tow Dan will hopefully be less keen to nab the keys as well. Besides, all the best hot hatches are three doors, aren't they? The 'base' 265 is only available as a three-door manual which would have been ideal for me but only the 280 was offered. Tough life etc... Given it's available with both gearboxes and bodystyles (the estate is still unconfirmed), the Cupra 280 will likely take most of the sales.

The paint has proved divisive so far, put it that way. From a fairly uninspiring colour palette the £695 'Dynamic' hue seemed the most interesting choice. There's the possibility of getting it wrapped but, honestly, I actually just like it. The paint needs sunshine to work best where it resembles a kind of duck egg blue (or faded Gulf blue as I like to tell people); otherwise it can look grey. So far it's been called 'Metallic Seagull S****' and 'half-way between Blu-Tack and filler' so please feel free to contribute any more.

Hopefully speccing a manual will prove less controversial. If anything the shift feels even shorter and quicker than it did at launch, perhaps attributable to sitting on the right. The clutch is a little light for my liking and third to second is a little stiff with 208 miles on it but I'm hoping the latter will free up with age. Of course it saves £1,285 over the DSG also.

There's a Megane comparison looming
There's a Megane comparison looming
There was no choice on the other equipment, all the early press cars coming well specced. My initial reaction (I first got in it on Monday!) to those is they're largely surplus to requirements and demands. The £500 Adaptive Cruise Control probably won't be used that much, and I could certainly do without high beam and lane assist (-£295). Paying £115 to be told I'm tired seems a little excessive also. The SEAT sound system would probably have been added, and obviously the paint too. We'll wait and see on the £755 leather seats; there was talk at the launch of buckets being made available so again I'd be quite keen to try those.

From the first 126 miles (it arrived with just 82 on the clock), the signs are very good. The handbook suggest only two thirds of the revs to be used for the first 600 miles so there's been nothing too intense just yet. But it feels plenty swift even allowing for that, and there's a real sense from just pootling around that it will entertain when fully run in.

It does all that boring day to day stuff like Bluetooth, DAB and music syncing just fine for now also. More on those when I've had more time with them (or they go wrong).

Having grown up witnessing the hot hatch's resurgence (I was 10 when the first Civic Type R arrived in Britain with 200hp; how amazing was that?), to be running one of the current breed of exceptional hot hatches is a very exciting prospect. Should be a fun few months.


FACT SHEET
Car:
2014 SEAT Leon Cupra 280
On fleet since: July 2014
Mileage: 208
List price new: £26,945 before options (£29,650 as tested, comprising Leather Pack with Winter Pack £755, Driver Assist Pack including high beam and lane assist £295, Safety Pack £115, SEAT Sound System £250, Adaptive Cruise Control and front assist £500, space saver £95 and Dynamic custom paint £695).





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FrankUnderwood

Original Poster:

6,635 posts

243 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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You could have an M135i for that much etc.

Except for the fact that the Leon is better looking and the M135i is more of an obvious choice. It's nice to have something different and I'm sure the Leon is a great drive on the road.


Back to back ROAD test against the BMW would be great, please no track crap reviews though, they're road cars thus review them on the road.

I can understand why some would prefer the BMW, but then I can fully understand the appeal of the Leon too.

Important to note that the BMW does come with a fair few options as standard too.



Edited by FrankUnderwood on Thursday 10th July 16:17

dododo

761 posts

156 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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FrankUnderwood said:
You could have an M135i for that much etc.
Yuck.

SonicHedgeHog

2,790 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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FrankUnderwood said:
You could have an M135i for that much etc.
And in doing so you would join the ranks of people with no imagination who can't afford to buy the car, but can afford to lease it.

Cupramax

11,002 posts

281 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Still cant get my head around the pricing, i had one of the first mk1 Leon Cupra R's in 2002, it cost £16.400 with a bit of discount including Recaros. This ones nearly double that smash

dlockhart

434 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Seems a relative bargain when stacked up against the Golf

dukebox9reg

1,720 posts

177 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Cupramax said:
Still cant get my head around the pricing, i had one of the first mk1 Leon Cupra R's in 2002, it cost £16.400 with a bit of discount including Recaros. This ones nearly double that smash
An over a decade newer....

Typical tuners on the SEAT/VW scene are REVO, APR and AMD.

I'm not sure how far any of them are down the road yet in regards to tuning the new 280bhp engine but the old Cupra 240 engine with just a map was taken up to 300bhp by all 3 companies.

I personally only have experience with AMD Essex but I can fully recommend them as my car flew after a map, was smoother and had no issues over 30-40k I had the car.

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

177 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Let's hope the build quality has improved or it will rattle itself to bits. Mines long gone, never having another Seat.

WCZ

11,500 posts

223 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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£30k.

Cupramax

11,002 posts

281 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Using an inflation calculator a 17k car in 2002 would be 22,500 now, clearer how theyve ramped prices?

RossP

2,603 posts

312 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Can you convert it to rear wheel drive?

Ali_T

3,379 posts

286 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Cupramax said:
Still cant get my head around the pricing, i had one of the first mk1 Leon Cupra R's in 2002, it cost £16.400 with a bit of discount including Recaros. This ones nearly double that smash
Everything's gone up in 12 years! My 2001 Civic Type R was £16250, the new one will be around £30k. The Focus St170 was £15k back then and, spec for spec, you'd need the ST2 at £23k to match that. A Golf GTi was £18k and now you'd be lucky to get a relatively basic spec for £26k.

FrankUnderwood

Original Poster:

6,635 posts

243 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Cupramax said:
Using an inflation calculator a 17k car in 2002 would be 22,500 now, clearer how theyve ramped prices?
You haven't taken exchange rates into account.

scottos

1,338 posts

153 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Love that, really like the colour too!

It's interesting to see you'll be tinkering with it, i'd be approaching Volkswagen Racing (VWR) I'm sure they've been looking at the engine coding etc for these and some other nice go faster bits:

http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/nonvwcompatible/...

Dion20vt

252 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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RossP said:
Can you convert it to rear wheel drive?
Yes, drive it in reverse everywhere.... biggrin I joke!

I passed a standard new Leon the other day, the LED headlamps are quite striking!

V8 FOU

3,023 posts

176 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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WTF is this high beam assist?
wouldn't bother with any of those add ons - does seem a bit daft to add all these toys to what is supposed to be a hot hatch for driving pleasure.....

Love the ESC message? "Are you sure you really want to crash?" "If you do, press the Brown Trousers button"

Mister3man

280 posts

176 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Looks like a very dull interior for a 30k hot hatch.

drewbagz

183 posts

193 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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It all depends on how far you wish to go on the tuning. In terms of a remap your best port of call would be Revo but I wouldn't know how far down the line the development of their or any other suppliers remap for this engine is so you may have to wait a bit. From there a (insert generic brand here) performance air filter and either Eibach or H&R anti-roll bars. Everyone has their preferred brands and it all depends on what sort of setup and state of tune you want the vehicle to be in.

Max M4X WW

5,029 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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SonicHedgeHog said:
FrankUnderwood said:
You could have an M135i for that much etc.
And in doing so you would join the ranks of people with no imagination who can't afford to buy the car, but can afford to lease it.
Do you mean by outright or PCP? Can't see the sense in either really.

As said, interior looks a bit bland for Seat really.

AJB88

15,764 posts

200 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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My Cupra 280 is already modified!

Leon Owners Club is a good place to start

AJB88

15,764 posts

200 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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scottos said:
Love that, really like the colour too!

It's interesting to see you'll be tinkering with it, i'd be approaching Volkswagen Racing (VWR) I'm sure they've been looking at the engine coding etc for these and some other nice go faster bits:

http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/nonvwcompatible/...
Got VWR parts on my Cupra 280