Mystery Tyre Damage
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TM88

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2 posts

162 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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A couple of weeks ago someone reversed into the side of my car while it was parked (he admitted full liability so his insurance took care of repairs etc.) and I ended up with a courtesy car from Enterprise. I had the car for almost two weeks while mine was being repaired and everything seemed fine until they came to collect it. They spend quite a while looking at it before they even rung the doorbell, and then told me one of the tyres had been damaged requiring a replacement tyre, which they now want to charge me £110 for. I took a pic of the damage but still can't recall how it could have happened. Since I only drove the car a few times while I had it, mostly on motorways/ A roads, and didn't curb it at all, I really am puzzled by how the tyre could have had a chunk taken out. In nine years of driving I have never seen this sort of thing happen to any tyre on my own car and wondered if it was already there when I got the car. (The damage can only be seen if you look really closely at the tyre so I guess I could have missed it when I checked the car upon delivery.)

Here is the pic of the damage, any ideas how this could have happened? Are they trying to rip me off?

Crusoe

4,123 posts

260 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Kerb'd alloy and you've ripped into the rim protector. I would probably leave it if it was me but might replace on my wifes car.

S10GTA

13,784 posts

196 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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It's pretty clear (imho) that the wheel has been curbed at some point. You can see the marks round the alloy. The only bit not marked is where the rubber has had a chunk taken out of it, and probably saved it from marking the wheel.

Moog72

1,600 posts

206 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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^ Agreed - you can see the scrape on the alloy wheel itself. It could have been there before you got it of course and never noticed?

Adrian E

3,359 posts

205 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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That's borderline in terms of acceptable damage - but without being able to inspect the tyre to check if cords are exposed you can't be certain. I would argue that unless it fails an MOT then it's just cosmetic damage to the rim protector. You could try contacting the tyre manufacturer and ask what the overall depth of damage to the rim protector can be before they advise replacement?

I suspect the merest hint you're not going to cough up voluntarily and they'll probably give up on chasing it

tbc

3,017 posts

204 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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If your certain you didn't kerb it then i'd fight it

It could have been there before you got it. Who is to say Enterprise don't just keep it like that so they can get £110 off every unfortunate who is given the car.

Don't accept liability if your certain you didn't kerb it just because it was a courtesy car and you feel obliged to do so.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

241 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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This is WHY you check courtesy cars WITH the operator BEFORE you take it away.

They will always try it on!

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

161 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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S10GTA said:
It's pretty clear (imho) that the wheel has been curbed at some point. You can see the marks round the alloy. The only bit not marked is where the rubber has had a chunk taken out of it, and probably saved it from marking the wheel.
Agreed, However the damage to the alloy is well oxidised and not clean and bright so it is several weeks old. My bet is old damage and the next customer will get it in the same state and billed again for the same damage.


Edited by Martin4x4 on Monday 21st July 21:37

LukeKerr

45 posts

146 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Always got to watch this with rental cars. Had a rental car twice and went round the car with the guy in lots of detail. Tyres are often something overlooked by people - they are always very fussy on tyre damage for safety reasons because if a tyre blows out when you are renting one of their cars you would not be happy.

r11co

6,244 posts

259 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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The damage is on the inside edge of the tyre, so I'm suspecting the tyre has clipped the edge or corner of a proud manhole or drain cover in the middle of the road rather than being kerbed. Similar thing happened to the OH's car a few weeks ago and the damage looked identical to this with what looked like a clean cut.

alangla

6,729 posts

210 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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r11co said:
The damage is on the inside edge of the tyre, so I'm suspecting the tyre has clipped the edge or corner of a proud manhole or drain cover in the middle of the road rather than being kerbed. Similar thing happened to the OH's car a few weeks ago and the damage looked identical to this with what looked like a clean cut.
Agree on it being the inside of a tyre. My first thought was that the car had been parked with 2 wheels up on a pavement (not suggesting the OP did this - just at some point in the car's life) and the inner edge of the wheels still on the road had rubbed against the kerbstones. If it was an old style kerbstone (i.e. roughly cut stone, not the precast concrete things used these days), the gap between the stones might be enough to make that sort of mark on the tyre. My brother once managed to rip a hole in a sidewall after rubbing the outside edge of a tyre over old-style kerbstones.

Osinjak

5,453 posts

150 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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I've done this myself and winced when I did it so I'm sure you would have remembered.

catfood12

1,567 posts

171 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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alangla said:
Agree on it being the inside of a tyre. My first thought was that the car had been parked with 2 wheels up on a pavement (not suggesting the OP did this - just at some point in the car's life) and the inner edge of the wheels still on the road had rubbed against the kerbstones. If it was an old style kerbstone (i.e. roughly cut stone, not the precast concrete things used these days), the gap between the stones might be enough to make that sort of mark on the tyre. My brother once managed to rip a hole in a sidewall after rubbing the outside edge of a tyre over old-style kerbstones.
I did a similar bit of damage on a hire car, on a raised metal gate stop in the middle between two gates. Just clipped the side of it with the inside of the tyre, however damage was more severe, and ripped a tear in the sidewall. I put a new tyre on myself and handed it back.....

TM88

Original Poster:

2 posts

162 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Thanks for all the help and info. The insurance company are now sorting it out with Enterprise, and agreed with me that it must have been there before I got the car but was difficult to notice.