All Season Tyres
Discussion
I've been looking at getting some all season tyres for my Lexus RX400h but due to the tyres size 235/55R18 they seem to be quite rare.
One of my local tyre places has suggested that I run winter tyres all year instead, this doesn't seem right to me.
Has anyone tried this if so would you recommend it as a possible option?
One of my local tyre places has suggested that I run winter tyres all year instead, this doesn't seem right to me.
Has anyone tried this if so would you recommend it as a possible option?
loskie said:
I do it on my V50 2.0d. It's fine, A wee bit noisier and slightly poorer mpg but grip and braking is good. Wear rate is no worse either. What part of the country are you in, do you really need all season tyres?
We are in the sticks in mid Bedfordshire and the roads around us do get a bit iffy occasionally during the winter. To be on the safe side I thought all season tyres would be a good idea.
We would advice against fitting winters all year round as they do not perform well during the warmer months.
There are certainly all-season tyres available in your size – issue you might have is getting retailers that have them in stock.
Sometime we can order them for example from the manufacturer direct – delivery is a bit longer but it is possible.
Hope that helps.
There are certainly all-season tyres available in your size – issue you might have is getting retailers that have them in stock.
Sometime we can order them for example from the manufacturer direct – delivery is a bit longer but it is possible.
Hope that helps.
Been considering this question myself.
I’m getting a nice new set of wide steel wheels for my car next month and I’m looking at tyre options to go with them. I do like the idea of all seasons but I can’t shake off the opinion that they are a bit ‘jack of all trades, master of none’.
As I live just outside Nottingham, I tend to avoid the worst of the winter weather (sadly) so I’ll probably stick with decent summer tyres – thinking of Continental Sport Contact 5s at the moment (under 50 quid a corner from Camskill).
I’m getting a nice new set of wide steel wheels for my car next month and I’m looking at tyre options to go with them. I do like the idea of all seasons but I can’t shake off the opinion that they are a bit ‘jack of all trades, master of none’.
As I live just outside Nottingham, I tend to avoid the worst of the winter weather (sadly) so I’ll probably stick with decent summer tyres – thinking of Continental Sport Contact 5s at the moment (under 50 quid a corner from Camskill).
GoTea said:
From what I have seen, All seasons aren't much better than summer tyres on snow/ice.
"Here's the truth: "All-season" doesn't mean the tire has great performance in all seasons. It means that the tire is a compromise—the designer traded wet grip to gain some mobility in snow, give drivers tires that could provide adequate year-round performance, and save them the trouble of changing their tires before and after the winter. "But "some mobility in snow" is not the same thing as "good grip in snow." The snow traction of all-season tires varies from great to almost none. And an all-season tire has less damp-road grip than an otherwise equal summer tire from the same manufacturer. So winter is the only season when an all-season tire offers more traction than a summer tire. If you live where it never snows, the three-season regular tire always holds the traction advantage."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/produc...
I ran Quatrac 3's on an old 110 Tdi Octavia. Fantastic tyres in the winter. Coped through Dalbeattie ss in minus 12 deg after the 80 cars of the Galloway Hills Rally had gone through.
I would choose these over full on winters again. Just make sure as you head into winter there is a good tread depth.
What people do convieniently forget is that these tyres are also much better at coping with the rain lashed roads we have here.
I would choose these over full on winters again. Just make sure as you head into winter there is a good tread depth.
What people do convieniently forget is that these tyres are also much better at coping with the rain lashed roads we have here.
Qwert1e said:
GoTea said:
From what I have seen, All seasons aren't much better than summer tyres on snow/ice.
"Here's the truth: "All-season" doesn't mean the tire has great performance in all seasons. It means that the tire is a compromise—the designer traded wet grip to gain some mobility in snow, give drivers tires that could provide adequate year-round performance, and save them the trouble of changing their tires before and after the winter. "But "some mobility in snow" is not the same thing as "good grip in snow." The snow traction of all-season tires varies from great to almost none. And an all-season tire has less damp-road grip than an otherwise equal summer tire from the same manufacturer. So winter is the only season when an all-season tire offers more traction than a summer tire. If you live where it never snows, the three-season regular tire always holds the traction advantage."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/produc...
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2013-Auto-Bil...
I have had Wintersport 4D's on my car since Winter 2012, still plenty of tread, and summer driving has been fine on them.
Mind you, they are on a 10 year old 1.6 Focus, so not are not pushed in any way, and used on a steady moterway commute. They might not be great on a sports car in the summer, though are sports oriented, so would be good for a sports car in the winter.
But for my car, they are far better than the tyres that were on when I bought it. I had intended to swap back to the old tyres in the summer, however there was no need.
Mind you, they are on a 10 year old 1.6 Focus, so not are not pushed in any way, and used on a steady moterway commute. They might not be great on a sports car in the summer, though are sports oriented, so would be good for a sports car in the winter.
But for my car, they are far better than the tyres that were on when I bought it. I had intended to swap back to the old tyres in the summer, however there was no need.
smallgun said:
Many thanks for the comments.
Problem now resolved, with further investigation I've decided to go with Vredestein's Quadtrac 3. From all the reviews I've read they seem to be ok.
They are very good indeed. Problem now resolved, with further investigation I've decided to go with Vredestein's Quadtrac 3. From all the reviews I've read they seem to be ok.
I've used them for 3 years now, I swap onto them for an extended winter period each year.
Of course there's a compromise in everything, but my experience on all season tyres (Vredstein Quattracs: bit of Autumn, all Winter, and a bit of Spring) is that they really do manage to be competent in all conditions, without much of a compromise in any. The only reason I take them off in the spring was to save them for this winter. I would happily run them all season, and, if I were forced to stick to one tyre all year round, I would choose all season, and most likely, Vredstein Quattracs.
GoTea said:
From what I have seen, All seasons aren't much better than summer tyres on snow/ice.
In the case of Vredestein Quattracs, and I'm sure many others, they are vastly better than summers on snow and ice.In fact, in one of Evo's winter tyre tests, the Vredstein Quattracs actually performed better than some of the winter tyres in one of the winter condition tests.
But tell us more about what you've 'seen'.
monthefish said:
smallgun said:
Many thanks for the comments.
Problem now resolved, with further investigation I've decided to go with Vredestein's Quadtrac 3. From all the reviews I've read they seem to be ok.
They are very good indeed. Problem now resolved, with further investigation I've decided to go with Vredestein's Quadtrac 3. From all the reviews I've read they seem to be ok.
I've used them for 3 years now, I swap onto them for an extended winter period each year.
Of course there's a compromise in everything, but my experience on all season tyres (Vredstein Quattracs: bit of Autumn, all Winter, and a bit of Spring) is that they really do manage to be competent in all conditions, without much of a compromise in any. The only reason I take them off in the spring was to save them for this winter. I would happily run them all season, and, if I were forced to stick to one tyre all year round, I would choose all season, and most likely, Vredstein Quattracs.
GoTea said:
From what I have seen, All seasons aren't much better than summer tyres on snow/ice.
In the case of Vredestein Quattracs, and I'm sure many others, they are vastly better than summers on snow and ice.In fact, in one of Evo's winter tyre tests, the Vredstein Quattracs actually performed better than some of the winter tyres in one of the winter condition tests.
But tell us more about what you've 'seen'.
Edited by Targarama on Monday 4th August 17:15
Targarama said:
Good choice. I've used them for years on various FWD and RWD cars. I could tell there was less summer grip on the limit in a MKV Golf GTI, but not enough to bother me as I never drove it that hard. I can't feel the difference in my currenty E39 520i auto - they are quiet, comfy and don't affect economy. They seem to last OK too - my fronts have been on for 20k+ miles and the rears last 12k miles or so. Not too bad for a heavy RWD car.
When my father needed new tyres for his car, I recommended he use these all year round, as as he isn't the type to change wheels/tyres according to the season, and he doesn't drive particularly hard where any compromise in the summer would be felt. In fact, he commented that the felt more sure-footed than his last few sets. My belief is that, in summer, the difference between the performance of all-season and summer tyres is marginal, and you'd have to be at or close to the limit of grip for the summers to be gripping in a situation where the all-seasons wouldn't have.
But on the other side of the coin, in winter (and by this is mean ice/snow/cold/wet/mushy leaves etc ) the improvement offered by all-seasons is immediately apparent, and could easily be the difference between avoiding trouble and not.
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