small crate engines

[Smegmium]

Morning all - a quick one, i hope someone might be able to help.

I'm looking for a NEW (in no way re-conditioned) transverse engine and gearbox.

By small i mean something like a 1.6 / 1.8 vtec, but these dont seem to be available new at all.

(note: zetec / Duratec are too big for the application, which is in the front of a classic mini)

[PugwasHDJ80]

mazda 4pots?

Bike engines out of the question?

[mini1380cc]

Are you trying to get a build together that would allow an up to date plate? I take it Honda can't get a hold of a brand new B18? You can get the K20 in the front but it would need to be a flip front at that point.

[Smegmium]

mini1380cc said:

Are you trying to get a build together that would allow an up to date plate? I take it Honda can't get a hold of a brand new B18? You can get the K20 in the front but it would need to be a flip front at that point.

Correct yes, 15 plate hopefully.
I talked to honda, they wanted absolutely silly money - lets say they wanted nearly as much as a brand new 2.0L race ready Duratec from Cosworth.

For registration I can use only 1 re-conditioned main component, the down side is with CAR engines the engine and gearbox are always considered separate, unlike bike engines where they are part of the same casting and inseparable.

I've just been on to ford about their 1.6l ecoboost, might fit, waiting for drawings.

Edited by Smegmium on Thursday 14th August 11:15

[kambites]

How about one of the Toyota ZZ engines? Might be a bit tall for a Mini, though.

The N-series might be worth a look too. It's basically a refreshed K-series which is a very small, light engine. I've no idea if they will sell you a crate one.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 14th August 11:37

[anonymous-user]

1.6l Sigma and trans from Ford Power Products??

[aleksboch]

Here you go.

http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/10000-18c-901.htm...

[cianha]

Does Ford sell the 1.0T Ecoboost triple as a crate, or was that a once off for the Formula Ford?

[edit]assuming you can stomach the prices: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=121...

Edited by cianha on Thursday 14th August 13:44

[jds32]

You can buy the formula ford ecoboost
http://www.skyford.co.uk/performance/motorsport

[Sensibleboy]

How can they tell if an engine is brand new or not? Is it just down to receipts? Engines can be tarted up externally quite easily to look brand new.

[xRIEx]

Sensibleboy said:

How can they tell if an engine is brand new or not? Is it just down to receipts? Engines can be tarted up externally quite easily to look brand new.

Engine number.

[Smegmium]

aleksboch said:

Here you go.

http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/10000-18c-901.htm...

OK! Yes thats...

no.

!

[robinessex]

xRIEx said:

Sensibleboy said:

How can they tell if an engine is brand new or not? Is it just down to receipts? Engines can be tarted up externally quite easily to look brand new.

Engine number.

Exactly. So what's preventing having an engine built up with a NEW block, and all the other bits used. No one would ever know.

[Sensibleboy]

Even a new block can be quite expensive.

[robinessex]

I was thinking, once the engine type had been chosen, trying to find a low mileage write off. Buy the engine, swop the bits onto the new block, (might be able to ebay that). You now have a NEW engine maybe quite a bit cheaper than a crate engine. Plus you might also get all the ancillary bits, including electrics.

[Sensibleboy]

Is a new block 100% ready to use or do they need any sort of machining to finish them off?

[Smegmium]

Dont forget peoples, you can get "new" Zetec engines but they stopped production several years ago.
It would require a receipt stating it was new (and it would have to look new, obviously).

[HereBeMonsters]

Smegmium said:

aleksboch said:

Here you go.

http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/10000-18c-901.htm...

OK! Yes thats...

no.

!

No? Price?

[Smegmium]

HereBeMonsters said:

Smegmium said:

aleksboch said:

Here you go.

http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/10000-18c-901.htm...

OK! Yes thats...

no.

!

No? Price?

Yes! - i could get a full race spec Cosworth Duratec turn-key for less.

[Toltec]

I saw a company offering crate Ford ecoboost engines at Exeter kit car show last year. Cannot remember er the name though.