Diagnosis please - A3 TDI smoking heavily
Diagnosis please - A3 TDI smoking heavily
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WTFWT

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872 posts

253 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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My wife has a 2006 A3 2.0TDI. Its the 130 bhp (ish) model.

It has run like a (noisy) watch for the 4 years and 30k miles she has had it. It just went in for a service at 82k, a major one, and needed air con fixed and gassed, front pads etc. Bill was a salty £650.

I picked the car up from our local indy and drove it 4 miles / 20 mins home (central London). The car seemed fine. The wife got in it yesterday and drove a few hundred metres and reported that suddenly there was no power and a massive amount of smoke. I told her to leave it and went to have a look. On start up, it was not running smoothly and smoking like a WW1 destroyer. I immediately shut it down.

The car went back to the local indy. I have know the guy for about 10 years. He serviced my Golfs and A3 back in the day and looks after my Mum and sisters' cars. In short I trust him. Dare I say it, I even quite like him.

He has diagnosed a blown turbo seal which has sucked engine oil into the exhaust. Diagnosis: new turbo and steam clean exhaust. £1k+

Does this sound likely? I understand that turbo seals go through a constant heating and cooling cycle and may/will eventually fail. But did it really just go one day and 4 miles after the indy touched it? Having previously run like a swatch?

Thoughts? Thanks

D_G

1,947 posts

239 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Sounds right, the new oil might have loosen some carbon build up which damaged the turbo or it might have been just about to let go anyway. It's not uncommon for a worn turbo to let go shortly after service, especially VAG stuff on long life servicing.

Lazadude

1,740 posts

191 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Turbo on my BKD PD140 A3 went at 40k miles. Smoke cloud, and an enormous amount of oil had made it into the exhaust!

Sounds likely that thats what has gone, and as said, fresh oil may have dislodged something, or it was on its last legs and just went.

You can get recon turbos for £400/500, then its just fitting, recommended replacing the oil feed pipes etc with it too however.

Turbos quite easy to get to, its at the lower back of the engine.

I wouldnt pay more then £1k, Unless you uprate with a hybrid turbo and a remap since your replacing the turbo anyway.

Edited by Lazadude on Monday 1st September 09:32

WTFWT

Original Poster:

872 posts

253 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Thanks guys.

I do trust him and gave it nary a thought. But then billy big bks was giving it the old "you've been 'ad sunshine" in the pub on saturday and it was niggling me. So I thought I would ask here if it seemed plausible and it would seem that it is eminently so.

Cheers

V8forweekends

2,501 posts

154 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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vorsprung durch technik, good old German reliability again (I drive an Audi, the glove box hinge snapped at the weekend).

WreckedGecko

1,191 posts

231 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I had it in my head that TDI turbos lasted a bit longer (don't know why), but 82k is about what I would expect from a OEM turbo.

mini1380cc

2,949 posts

201 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Its just coincidence. The turbo simply let go as they tend to do, only it happened a day after service.

Spangles

1,441 posts

215 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Blue or black smoke?

DrDoofenshmirtz

16,952 posts

230 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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You're lucky the seal went on the hot side. If they pop on the intake side, the engine will run on it's own (burning oil) until the engine either blows up or runs out of oil and destroys itself.
There are plenty of 'diesel runaway' vids on Youtube to see what happens.

Conor D

2,124 posts

205 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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Have you tried the patches?

fangio

989 posts

264 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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V8forweekends said:
vorsprung durch technik, good old German reliability again (I drive an Audi, the glove box hinge snapped at the weekend).
Should have lubricated the damper!

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/glovebox-hing...

thatdude

2,660 posts

157 months

Monday 1st September 2014
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I should think that for the cost of a replacement turbo, possibly replacing the oil and filter again (might be worth it as a safety measure incase any bits are running around the engine), and removing the exhaust system and cleaning, then the labour (gonna be a few hours in that? hopefully removing parts will be ok, exhaust bolts can be a pain), that is about right for a quote.

Put it this way, you get it done and the turbo lasts at least as long (82k miles). £82 quid per 10,000 miles.

Perhaps the previous servicing of the car before your ownership wasnt quite as it could have been. What service intervals do you currently adhere to?