New Road Tax change - A question.

[richard300]

I think i am correct in saying that the changes to car tax (or whatever you want to call it) happen from 1st October and then a second wave of changes in November.

I have just taxed my car (1st September) and await the paper disc. I am about to sell the car...

My question is - If the car sell the car tomorrow (for example) can i effectively sell the car with 6 Months TAX? If it sells after 1st October does the car sell without tax? Or is any TAX disc bought before 1st October able to be sold with the car?


Hope that makes sense?

[Riley Blue]

Yes, Yes, No - that's how I understand it.

[marshalla]

There are no more tax discs on or after 1st October.

From that date, VED will be cancelled when DVLA receive notice of a change of keeper - and the new keeper will have to take out their own VED in order to keep using the vehicle.

Anything that happens before 1st October will be subject to the "old" rules.

1st Nov. is the start date for payment of VED by direct debit.

Edited by marshalla on Tuesday 2nd September 09:57

[zoom star]

Will this mean an end to possibly turning up at a private sale,and not being able to just view,like, pay, and drive away.
You cant transfer any outstanding tax to a new owner,and you could not negotiate the vendor to tax the car for you.
Yet you would only have log book details when you pay,how would you prove online,or over the phone you are the new owner..
I assume sending in log book, to get changed to your details is not needed any longer.
I have never taxed car online, only at PO so this is going to be a new one for me.

[Pwig]

The tax will be valid until the old owner notifies the DVLA they do not own the car anymore.

So you can still drive up and drive away

[colonel c]

So! I see that doing away with the paper disc will save on admin. It might also encourage those that tend to drive around in untaxed cars to carry on. Especially in rural areas where the chance of being picked up on cameras is very low.
Other than the Government wanting to fleece us some more. What is the reasoning for the change? The system we have/had was convenient for both buyers and sellers to sell on the remaining tax on a vehicle. The only winner appears to be H M Treasury.

[colonel c]

I don't suppose it's very likely but will it still be an offence not to display a tax disc for vehicles that are currently taxed up to next October.
I bought a car last week that is taxed up October. It seems hardly worth applying and paying £25 for just one month.

[marshalla]

colonel c said:

I don't suppose it's very likely but will it still be an offence not to display a tax disc for vehicles that are currently taxed up to next October.

No, it won't.

[Phateuk]

colonel c said:

So! I see that doing away with the paper disc will save on admin. It might also encourage those that tend to drive around in untaxed cars to carry on. Especially in rural areas where the chance of being picked up on cameras is very low.
Other than the Government wanting to fleece us some more. What is the reasoning for the change? The system we have/had was convenient for both buyers and sellers to sell on the remaining tax on a vehicle. The only winner appears to be H M Treasury.

It doesn't need to be on camera, the vehicle details are stored by the DVLA, if you the vehicle isn't taxed, nor SORN'd then that's an offense and you get a letter through your door irrespective of being caught by a camera. I suspect the cameras are more for "failing to display tax disc" rather than "driving an untaxed vehicle"

[colonel c]

Phateuk said:

colonel c said:

So! I see that doing away with the paper disc will save on admin. It might also encourage those that tend to drive around in untaxed cars to carry on. Especially in rural areas where the chance of being picked up on cameras is very low.
Other than the Government wanting to fleece us some more. What is the reasoning for the change? The system we have/had was convenient for both buyers and sellers to sell on the remaining tax on a vehicle. The only winner appears to be H M Treasury.

It doesn't need to be on camera, the vehicle details are stored by the DVLA, if you the vehicle isn't taxed, nor SORN'd then that's an offense and you get a letter through your door irrespective of being caught by a camera. I suspect the cameras are more for "failing to display tax disc" rather than "driving an untaxed vehicle"

In theory though what's to stop someone from registering a vehicle SORN. Then driving it around. Previously this behaviour would at least have been noticeable by all and sundry because of an out of date or absent tax disc. Under the new system unless the car is picked up on a ANPR camera somewhere no one will know the car is not fully taxed. Away from motorways and urban areas I would have thought the chances of that are quite low.

[Phateuk]

colonel c said:

Phateuk said:

colonel c said:

So! I see that doing away with the paper disc will save on admin. It might also encourage those that tend to drive around in untaxed cars to carry on. Especially in rural areas where the chance of being picked up on cameras is very low.
Other than the Government wanting to fleece us some more. What is the reasoning for the change? The system we have/had was convenient for both buyers and sellers to sell on the remaining tax on a vehicle. The only winner appears to be H M Treasury.

It doesn't need to be on camera, the vehicle details are stored by the DVLA, if you the vehicle isn't taxed, nor SORN'd then that's an offense and you get a letter through your door irrespective of being caught by a camera. I suspect the cameras are more for "failing to display tax disc" rather than "driving an untaxed vehicle"

In theory though what's to stop someone from registering a vehicle SORN. Then driving it around. Previously this behaviour would at least have been noticeable by all and sundry because of an out of date or absent tax disc. Under the new system unless the car is picked up on a ANPR camera somewhere no one will know the car is not fully taxed. Away from motorways and urban areas I would have thought the chances of that are quite low.

Well, like you say there's little that can be done about that. I suppose there's always people that will break the laws, not living in such a rural area I don't know how rife it is - does everyone drive round in untaxed/uninsured vehicles with impunity due to lack of cameras? If so I might look to move out to the sticks

[marshalla]

colonel c said:

In theory though what's to stop someone from registering a vehicle SORN. Then driving it around. Previously this behaviour would at least have been noticeable by all and sundry because of an out of date or absent tax disc. Under the new system unless the car is picked up on a ANPR camera somewhere no one will know the car is not fully taxed. Away from motorways and urban areas I would have thought the chances of that are quite low.

I'll bet the cunning devils would have found some sneaky way of putting something disclike in the holder to fool law-abiding citizens into thinking there was a real disc there too.

[ikarl]

If I buy a car at a private sale, I understand, as long as I have insurance and the car has a valid MOT I can drive the car until the old keeper notifies the DVLA of the sale. i.e. I can't tax it on the day I pick the car up...

So, how do I know when I can tax the car?

[marshalla]

ikarl said:

If I buy a car at a private sale, I understand, as long as I have insurance and the car has a valid MOT I can drive the car until the old keeper notifies the DVLA of the sale. i.e. I can't tax it on the day I pick the car up...

So, how do I know when I can tax the car?

DVLA claim you should do it as soon as the car becomes yours : https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-cha...

However, this means that it will be subject to two VED licences until they receive the change of keeper notification. Does anyone trust DVLA to refund the old keeper correctly, every time - and just once in each case ?