gRE: Alfa Spider S4: Unsung Hero
gRE: Alfa Spider S4: Unsung Hero
Thursday 4th September 2014

Alfa Spider S4: Unsung Hero

Chris Rees believes the S4 Spider is better than the Mk1 MX-5. Here's why



So we now know what the new MX-5 looks like. And maybe, just maybe, there will be an Alfa Romeo Spider on the back of it.

There's plenty of irony in the new Mazda MX-5/Alfa Spider marriage. In 1989, when the MX-5 first launched, pretty much the only other cheap open-topped two-seater sports car was Alfa's Spider (which had graduated to Series 4 guise in 1989). And at the time, the Spider certainly was great value: at under £16,000, it ran the MX-5's £14,250 surprisingly close.

Alfas must have an offset numberplate. Fact
Alfas must have an offset numberplate. Fact
But within five years - apart from marginal anachronisms like the Morgan and Caterham - there was only one cheap sports car in town: the MX-5. You could say the Alfa Spider was an anachronism, too, but it was so brilliantly right that it really didn't need changing. If Mazda brilliantly distilled the sports car formula to conjure up the MX-5, the Spider was the archetype from which it drew its soul.

Original is best
We all know the MX-5 is brilliant. But does the phrase 'original is best' apply here? Is the Alfa Spider S4, in fact, better than an MX-5? I'm going to say it: yes it is.

By all logic, the Spider should be a laughable antique. It's almost as old as the Alps that frame Alfa's old Arese factory, soldiering on for almost 30 years on essentially the same 1962 Giulia 105 platform. Its live rear axle already felt anachronistic in the 1960s, but its clever location engenders handling that certainly isn't embarrassed by the independently-sprung MX-5. There's much more body roll than in an MX-5, but the handling is just as predictable: hit your apex, stab the throttle and dialling in opposite lock is totally intuitive.

It's just pretty, isn't it?
It's just pretty, isn't it?
The S4's ZF power steering has a much more connected feel than you might expect, although whether you have worm-and-roller or recirculating ball steering you'll probably never know: Alfa fitted both at the factory in a seemingly random manner - all part of the Alfa charisma!

Charm and a killer shape
Speaking of which, the 1,962cc twin-cam engine is charm personified. Revvy and mellifluous, its broad spread of torque and 120hp output beat the 1.6 MX-5's 115hp. At 1,110kg, the Spider is 150kg portlier than the Mazda but it's still just as perky: 118mph and 0-62mph in 9.4 seconds are about what you can expect from an MX-5.

Here's the killer, though: the Alfa looks amazing. I reckon it's the best-looking Spider Alfa ever made: Pininfarina's clean, simple lines are a high point of sports car design. That low, narrow shape begs you to leap in and graduate to chasing down your very own Mrs Robinson. Alfa's soft-top is also the very model of simplicity from which Mazda drew its inspiration.

Design is old, the style timeless
Design is old, the style timeless
Weaving its web
If you want a Spider S4 - and believe me, you do - you're likely to have to deal with rust, but then early MX-5s rust too. Prices are very tempting: this tidy S4 looks great value at £4,995. And this red one has had a restoration, justifying its £9,995 price tag.

Of course, for these prices you can get a very tasty MX-5: even the most expensive Mk1s are under £5K, with the majority hovering around the £1,500 mark. This £4,500 Eunos 1.8 VR-Limited import looks desirable with its leather, 133hp, low final drive and LSD.

But come on. MX-5s are everywhere - we're now getting close to a production tally of one million - while the Spider is both rare (just 21,407 S4s were sold) and exquisite. Go on - buy a Spider.

Author
Discussion

garypotter

Original Poster:

2,073 posts

180 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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No you are wrong, the MX5 was a car that changed this sector for the better yes they are cheap but they were made by the hundreds of thousands and the fiat sold in handfuls, imho

kambites

71,573 posts

251 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I never got on with the styling of these. The bumpers always looked like an afterthought. Obviously nowhere near as bad as the ones on the later MGBs, but a similar failure to integrate them properly. I quite like the interior though. smile

In fact looking at them, I think each generation of Alfa Spider has been worse looking than the previous. This thing especially, whilst not strictly speaking a "Spider", is stunning looking:


Crusoe

4,124 posts

261 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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S4 is not the
said:
it's the best-looking Spider Alfa ever made
Needs to be a boat tail duetto


kultsch88

128 posts

196 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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kambites said:
In fact looking at them, I think each generation of Alfa Spider has been worse looking than the previous. This thing is stunning looking:

100% Agree with that.

Vee12V

1,410 posts

190 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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The mk1 Duetto certainly is the best looking Spider.

Esseesse

9,027 posts

238 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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The S4 was the first one that was properly galvanized IIRC. So you should not have a rust problem. My Dad has a 1994 S4 and to my knowledge it doesn't have a spot of rust on it. He's not really a petrolhead either (likes the car, not the oily bits) so it doesn't receive any particularly special treatment other than it's garaged.

dlockhart

434 posts

202 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I always thought these were way more expensive and exclusive that this. Mind you I wasn't old enough to drive when these were launched.

I may have to get my hands greasy with one of these if they are available....

2volvos

660 posts

231 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Surely, it's a Heart vs Head debate. And if you're contemplating a roadster in the first place you've probably already got an imbalance between the two in that respect.

I certainly know which I'd prefer to be driving along the Amalfi Coast...

Ex Boy Racer

1,167 posts

222 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Drove a 1971 model on the Amalfi coast this summer. Synchro completely gone on second gear, speedo didn't work, radio didn't work etc. Absolutely brilliant. Would NEVER have swapped that experience for an MX5 - it was just so...Italian...

soad

34,701 posts

206 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I do like that black one in the ads. And you won't see many on the road, at least in the UK.

cavebloke

650 posts

257 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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"There's much more body roll than in an MX-5"

This has to be the understatement of the century - they wallow like a pig. The handling is horrible. I test drove one and then promptly bought a Mk1 MX5. Might have been a bad car I drove but it had great service history and IMO it reflects the antiquated design.

It does have rarity and looks in its favour but the handling is still too poor to overcome that.

errek72

943 posts

276 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Why do people keep saying the MX-5 will be an Alfa when it was announced this will not be the case ages ago?

http://www.caradvice.com.au/284630/fiat-to-take-ma...

Although I get that hearing a new plan every four weeks or so can be confusing...

sunbeam alpine

7,249 posts

218 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Here's mine: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

A couple of years ago I did a road trip with PH'er Plenty (he brought his MX5) and we swapped around driving both cars on interesting A & B roads.

Both car had their positives - the gear change on the MX5 was especially good - and the both cars handled well. If I'm honest, Plenty got a lot more out of the Spider than I normally do (he's a much better driver), and I enjoyed the MX5, especially the heating system!

Having said that, I wouldn't swap mine - the Spider always puts a smile on my face!


Ali_T

3,379 posts

287 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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soad said:
I do like that black one in the ads. And you won't see many on the road, at least in the UK.
Had a look at the red one and it sounds impressive with a restoration 800 miles ago, until you look at the interior. If the restoration didn't even include some carpet shampoo and upholstery cleaner, what else was scrimped on?

MCBrowncoat

1,780 posts

176 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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soad said:
I do like that black one in the ads. And you won't see many on the road, at least in the UK.
There's one on my road in Muswell Hill and it's bloody lovely

k-ink

9,070 posts

209 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I think that red one is from a hire car place.

VladD

8,201 posts

295 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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Crusoe said:
S4 is not the
said:
it's the best-looking Spider Alfa ever made
Needs to be a boat tail duetto
Correct. I considered a duetto before buying my Eunos, but wanted something simpler to maintain with better reliability.

chelme

1,353 posts

200 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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It may be that the S4 is 'better' than the MX5, (and i would not argue against anyone who insisted the MX5 is actually the better car) but in any event I don't think it is the best Alfa Spider, because correct me if I am wrong, it does not sport the Nord engine, which I think was and remains one of the all time greatest four pot engines ever to be produced.

I'd go with the boat tail or the Kamm tailed car which preceded the S4.

Oh and I thought Fiat were going to use the latest MX5 platform for their own, and not Alfa?

Edited by chelme on Thursday 4th September 12:54

sunbeam alpine

7,249 posts

218 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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chelme said:
...because correct me if I am wrong, it does not sport the Nord engine, which I think was and remains one of the all time greatest four pot engines ever to be produced......
OK. I'll correct you! It does, and it is. (so you were half right!) smile

Squadrone Rosso

3,693 posts

177 months

Thursday 4th September 2014
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I own one. More class, more style, more heritage than the Mazda but nowhere near as good to drive.

The quoted prices look too cheap, too.

Why Alfa missed out on the tie up with Mazda is beyond me. Sergio is a tool.