Lorrys pulling out
Discussion
I was traveling along a two lane motorway in the right hand lane. I was the last car in a convoy of about 8 cars overtaking slower traffic in the left hand lane. I had left what I consider a safe distance between me and the car infront. as I approached a lorry in the left hand land he idicated and started to pull out to overtake a caravan. i looked behind me and there was a large (400m) gap behind me so I tried to maintain my position on the road and let him join the carridgeway behind me. However he decided that he had right of way and pushed into the gap causing me to brake.He then started gesticulating out of his window to the effect that I hadnt seen his indication.
If I am pulling out into another lane I wait until there is a suitable gap. Why is it that some lorry drivers think they can just indicate and pull out? bullying their way into a gap.
If I am pulling out into another lane I wait until there is a suitable gap. Why is it that some lorry drivers think they can just indicate and pull out? bullying their way into a gap.
It's not just lorry drivers though, is it?
You may as well ask why ignorant, selfish tw@ts in cars bully their way into non-existent spaces.
I've got slightly more sympathy for lorry drivers doing it as, thanks to the aforementioned selfish d
heads in cars, they are unlikely to get let out by anyone...
You may as well ask why ignorant, selfish tw@ts in cars bully their way into non-existent spaces.
I've got slightly more sympathy for lorry drivers doing it as, thanks to the aforementioned selfish d
heads in cars, they are unlikely to get let out by anyone...However, if there is not room for a car to pull in then you are probably too close (Unless they are going too slow), Like the selfish dheads (Mostly in big German gars) who sit in the outside lane, refuse to show basic lane discipline, and as soon as you do, close the gap, despite the fact that you are still doing the same speed as the car in front, but can show some sense.
A lorry however is not going to fit in good braking distance and is likely to be going 15+ MPH slower than the rest of the traffic.
heads (Mostly in big German gars) who sit in the outside lane, refuse to show basic lane discipline, and as soon as you do, close the gap, despite the fact that you are still doing the same speed as the car in front, but can show some sense.A lorry however is not going to fit in good braking distance and is likely to be going 15+ MPH slower than the rest of the traffic.
Edited by SteveSteveson on Monday 8th September 15:40
Edited by SteveSteveson on Monday 8th September 15:54
were you near a slip road entrance, could it be the car/caravan combo didn't join safely and forced the lorry to take action or could it be the lorry is on cruise at 50-54 and the caravan decides to slow from 50>40 for no apparent reason.
there as so many ifs before deciding the lorry driver really had it in for you. Perhaps he thought seen as you were leaving a large gap between you and the car in front that you were slowing to allow the lorry out?
there as so many ifs before deciding the lorry driver really had it in for you. Perhaps he thought seen as you were leaving a large gap between you and the car in front that you were slowing to allow the lorry out?
swerni said:
I was taught no to indicate if something was about to overtake and not to pull out if I'm going to impede another road user.
Why is it people's first instinct to indicate and then look to see if there is a space or to expect one to magically appear.
one of my pet hates
I've always considered (when on, say, a busy dual carriageway, I can see a steady stream in lane 2 and lane 1 has a lorry ahead) that indicating is more a "I'm looking to overtake rather than stay here" sort of thing, and 8 times out of 10 it's met with someone obviously holding back or flashing me out. If there's only two or three cars overtaking then I wait for them to pass, but around busy areas with lots of junctions (so many people in lane 1 are holding for the next junction) and a constant stream in lane 2 it seems worthwhile.Why is it people's first instinct to indicate and then look to see if there is a space or to expect one to magically appear.
one of my pet hates
Obviously it's not a "indicator on, count to 2, pull out" sort of thing.
Lorry drivers have gotten worse on recent times when they are looking to join a roundabout. Once they eye up a spot they are going to go for it and bring the roundabout to a standstill.
I don't really mind them doing it when it's affecting 2-3 cars as at the end of the day, they're carrying a crazy load, but doing it at peak times is just bordering brain dead.
I don't really mind them doing it when it's affecting 2-3 cars as at the end of the day, they're carrying a crazy load, but doing it at peak times is just bordering brain dead.
aka_kerrly said:
were you near a slip road entrance, could it be the car/caravan combo didn't join safely and forced the lorry to take action or could it be the lorry is on cruise at 50-54 and the caravan decides to slow from 50>40 for no apparent reason.
there as so many ifs before deciding the lorry driver really had it in for you. Perhaps he thought seen as you were leaving a large gap between you and the car in front that you were slowing to allow the lorry out?
No we were between junctions, although i admit the caravan seemed to be traveling slowly. there as so many ifs before deciding the lorry driver really had it in for you. Perhaps he thought seen as you were leaving a large gap between you and the car in front that you were slowing to allow the lorry out?
No, he didnt think I was slowing down, he pointed at his indicators and hung his spectacles out of the window, i assume he thought I needed them to improve my ability to see his indication.
paranoid airbag said:
BGarside said:
It's not just lorry drivers though, is it?
So many times this.World is not a perfect place. Suck it up.
Inconsiderate drivers are in all types of vehicles
Do not let it bother you as it will happen again at some point - maybe many times during your driving life
Being an ex full time lorry driver helps me to understand why this happens - the mind set is that it will take a lorry much longer to get back up to full speed than it will a car so if one has to wait then its easier for the car to do so - does not excuse what happens but that's the reality in most cases
Do not let it bother you as it will happen again at some point - maybe many times during your driving life
Being an ex full time lorry driver helps me to understand why this happens - the mind set is that it will take a lorry much longer to get back up to full speed than it will a car so if one has to wait then its easier for the car to do so - does not excuse what happens but that's the reality in most cases
I must be one of the few people in the world who ease off and let the HGV out to do the overtake.
By the time they are at the point of overtaking, they generally have the momentum to get past whatever it is they want to overtake anyway so they are past them in a few minutes and you continue on your way...
By the time they are at the point of overtaking, they generally have the momentum to get past whatever it is they want to overtake anyway so they are past them in a few minutes and you continue on your way...
KTF said:
I must be one of the few people in the world who ease off and let the HGV out to do the overtake.
By the time they are at the point of overtaking, they generally have the momentum to get past whatever it is they want to overtake anyway so they are past them in a few minutes and you continue on your way...
Why should I ease up and let him out? There was a 400m gap behind me. Is that not far enough for him to pull out? By the time they are at the point of overtaking, they generally have the momentum to get past whatever it is they want to overtake anyway so they are past them in a few minutes and you continue on your way...
I learned a long time ago about the meathead element in trucks when one tried to crash me off the Orwell bridge at about 430am. Just him and another truck, I was approaching fast in my Astra GTE. He wasn't even close to the other truck and not gaining on it so I naively assumed he wouldn't pull out as there was no need. He did though and within just a few feet of causing an accident that might very well have killed me, I was locked up at over 100mph. He then paced the other truck up the bridge and moved back in behind at the crest, still a considerable distance back.
He probably saw me "speeding" and decided to put a stop to it.
No love lost between me and "knights of the road" since that day I can tell you.
It is possible to keep them in their place by anticipating and closing up the gap so they just can't get in, but ultimately if you see one of these nuts moving out into your path and there's no safe way of keeping them in, it's important to consider they'll kill you before giving way, and to back off, kick back, and prepare to watch the jerk make his 15 mile overtake for the next 20 minutes.
Any before some bozo cites my speed, I know perfectly well closing speed is a problem but naively I assumed that with no viable overtake he'd stay where he was instead of vindictively moving into my path. Lesson learned.
He probably saw me "speeding" and decided to put a stop to it.
No love lost between me and "knights of the road" since that day I can tell you.
It is possible to keep them in their place by anticipating and closing up the gap so they just can't get in, but ultimately if you see one of these nuts moving out into your path and there's no safe way of keeping them in, it's important to consider they'll kill you before giving way, and to back off, kick back, and prepare to watch the jerk make his 15 mile overtake for the next 20 minutes.
Any before some bozo cites my speed, I know perfectly well closing speed is a problem but naively I assumed that with no viable overtake he'd stay where he was instead of vindictively moving into my path. Lesson learned.
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